White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Istaru]

Well, could be worse. Could be selling them for $9.99

That comes next year when they are added for $5.00 or whatever like all event items.

[Lubu_Mykono]

I don't get why people are complaining over this. It's a pair of earrings you can barely see. I mean it's not like they are handing out Fat Mogs to everyone.

[Stormfur]

You all might be interested to know that the JP forums also have at thread about this, and bring up lots of the same concerns....but theirs is 12 pages compared to 59.

[Theodric]

My concern is that allowing a tiny minority of vocal players to dictate the direction of the game isn't going to end well. The days of 1.0 are long gone. It was a completely different game and one a lot of people never experienced or simply turned their backs on due to how poorly it was received.

The players who remained loyal to 1.0 have their names in the credits and have a discount on their subscription fee. That is more than enough acknowledgement. They don't need to have their every whim catered to, especially when it stifles progress.

[Skivvy]

My concern is that allowing a tiny minority of vocal players to dictate the direction of the game isn't going to end well. The days of 1.0 are long gone. It was a completely different game and one a lot of people never experienced or simply turned their backs on due to how poorly it was received.

The players who remained loyal to 1.0 have their names in the credits and have a discount on their subscription fee. That is more than enough acknowledgement. They don't need to have their every whim catered to, especially when it stifles progress.

Why should new players get these old items? As you said, it's from a completely separate game that many people shunned and turned their backs on. The handful of items that carried over were a special perk of taking another chance with ARR. Seems the new players are just envious.

And how is this particular concern stifling progress?

[Bourne_Endeavor]

My concern is that allowing a tiny minority of vocal players to dictate the direction of the game isn't going to end well. The days of 1.0 are long gone. It was a completely different game and one a lot of people never experienced or simply turned their backs on due to how poorly it was received.

The players who remained loyal to 1.0 have their names in the credits and have a discount on their subscription fee. That is more than enough acknowledgement. They don't need to have their every whim catered to, especially when it stifles progress.

You mean the progress of copy/paste? All the devs need do is copy the existing White Raven item and change it to Replica White Raven. Bam, problem solved.

Your accusation of hypocrisy rests on the assumption that I care about the item while telling people they're juvenile if they care about the item, so naturally if I don't care about the item, your accusation is shown to be unfounded. I'm surprised that actually needed explaining. If you need further explanations of such trivial reasoning, I will not bother responding again.

The attitude harms game development because it constrains the potential future directions of the game under threat of a bunch of overly sensitive players getting their feelings hurt via retroactive "depreciation" of their experiences, rather than leaving the developers free to focus solely on producing content that will be enjoyable at the time it is current, which is the product they're selling and how it creates value to consumers.

I fail to see how it's juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. You better believe I'd be a little vexed if, come 5.0, Ultimate can be unsynced, thus allowing people who didn't put even half as much work as I did to have the same title and weapons.

[Nixxe]

I fail to see how it's juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. You better believe I'd be a little vexed if, come 5.0, Ultimate can be unsynced, thus allowing people who didn't put even half as much work as I did to have the same title and weapons.

I never said it was juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. I said it was juvenile to need the world to care about them to value them yourself.

It seems I'm in the process of getting ganged up on by rather careless readers though, so I'll take my leave. Communication is bound to be a fruitless endeavor when dealing with people who would rather win an argument than understand what was said.

Do you need to read my reply again? Because you seem to be missing my point entirely.



Let's go over my reply again so you can understand.

* I said "people", not "you", there is a difference between using the general term "people" and using "you".

** I said "both sides", not you, there is a difference between the general term "both sides" and using "you".

The hypocrisy of the statement you made has nothing to do with if you personally care about the item or not. You still made the statement regardless.

You seem to be under the impression that I accused YOU of being hypocritical, but if you actually read my replies no where do I accuse you of such. I said the statement is hypocritical or the argument is hypocritical. Reading thoroughly will help you follow the discussion properly.

I am surprised this actually needs to be explained? If you need further explanations of such trivial reasoning, I will not bother responding again.

I don't know why you feel the need to do these mental gymnastics instead of just admitting you messed up. /shrug





So putting the words "replica" into the item name somehow harms game development?

You are right. I apologize. I assumed you understood what hypocrisy was and worked off that assumption, but that was an erroneous assumption. My argument is of course not hypocritical simply because other people who are not me behave in some particular fashion, as neither I nor my argument are accountable for things outside the scope of that argument.

[Hazama999]

I never said it was juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. I said it was juvenile to need the world to care about them to value them yourself.

It seems I'm in the process of getting ganged up on by rather careless readers though, so I'll take my leave. Communication is bound to be a fruitless endeavor when dealing with people who would rather win an argument than understand what was said.

Agree with the bolded bit.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I never said it was juvenile to care about one's accomplishments. I said it was juvenile to need the world to care about them to value them yourself.

It seems I'm in the process of getting ganged up on by rather careless readers though, so I'll take my leave. Communication is bound to be a fruitless endeavor when dealing with people who would rather win an argument than understand what was said.

You accuse me of careless reading only to make assumptions I, in no way, insinuated. Bit hypocritical, hmm?

I couldn't care less what someone else thinks about Ultimate. I have my experiences with the content. I simply said, I'd be a bit annoyed if the fights could be unsynced.

[Nixxe]

You accuse me of careless reading only to make assumptions I, in no way, insinuated. Bit hypocritical, hmm?

I couldn't care less what someone else thinks about Ultimate. I have my experiences with the content. I simply said, I'd be a bit annoyed if the fights could be unsynced.

Case in point, really.