White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Velhart]

The context of that thread is pretty clearly asking if the white ravens would only ever be obtainable in 1.0, and the response in context is yes. Pretending like ARR doesn't mean everything after 1.0 or that 'unobtainable' is a completely meaningless word is actually taking things out of context.

Also it's not my narrative, I never got them in 1.0 so it doesn't bother me that much. They're kinda ugly so I'll probably just shove them in my armoire and forget about them.

It kind of is because they never said they would never be obtainable. They said they were unobtainable at the given time. If you had not noticed, a lot of times the developers and community team here carefully do not say things will never happen. Specifically because people act up like this. Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions. Developers can't win sometimes.

[Brightamethyst]

I honestly don't know what else players can say here. The devs were caught being lazy and dishonest. last time I checked, that can affect the trust between the parties involved in the promise in the first place. Legacy players have every right to be angry that the devs said one thing because they needed their compliance and did another now that they are successful.

Like I said earlier, this is a no win situation for the devs. All those old statements people like to cry about (exclusive items, housing demolition, etc) were true when they said them and remained true for a long time afterwards. Things change over time though, especially in a living world like an MMO, but instead of understanding that circumstance can change, people just dig up old interviews and start yelling "they lied to us!" No one lied to you. It's just that the situation has changed and you don't like it.

[Stormfur]

It seems like PVP rewards and some things from last year's FanFest are the only real hold-outs anymore (not including the 1.0 things), or are there more things I'm not aware of?

[Vaer]

It seems like PVP rewards and some things from last year's FanFest are the only real hold-outs anymore (not including the 1.0 things), or are there more things I'm not aware of?

The merchandise stuff (plushie/lorebook) minions but that is less likely, since it is attached to a physical good and the rest of the legacy stuff. I think the last fanfest stuff will be on there eventually since the mog suit is already there even though they said it was exclusive™ .

SE likely doesn't care, since they get away with it every time.

[Ilan]

You've been misinformed.
It's tricky to rely on translating XIV difficulty naming over the 2 games.

I cleared both Ultimate and Rivenroad (Hard), I think I can give accurately enough my 2 cents about comparing their difficulty.
But as opposed as some people, I'm taking everything into account to measure their respective difficulty, because in the end, you have to go through all those things to get your clear, not just popping in the arena, and this is what will dictate the number of hours, your involvement level and all the resources you had to deploy.

I could write a whole page about every little things making Rivenroad (Hard) really challenging, from all the servers being only in Japan with 300ms to 400ms crazy latency, to the length of the fight (30 min, 10+min longer than UCoB), to the gear up with Darklight and Relics that were really testing one's abilities, to the special item you had to craft and use in the fight, to the instance that was kicking you for each wipe, and forcing you to re-queue until one of the instance gets available to your group, and so on and so on.

So many things, so many layers of difficulty. In the end it took me a bit less hours than an Ultimate to clear it, but way way way more hours and efforts than an Ultimate if you take into account all the requirements, and way more sporting stress.

I'm gonna give you another example where you can't rely on XIV difficulty naming between the 2 games, Ifrit Extreme 1.23 and Ifrit Extreme 2.1. The reason I can compare their overall difficulty well enough is because I did them with the exact same players.

For Ifrit Ex 1.23, it took us a month, going there everyday for hours.
For Ifrit Ex 2.1, it took us one hour.

And those are completely different fights with different mechanics on two different games.

Current XIV and 1.23 are as challenging as each other when it comes to true end-game, but for completely different reasons, and those reasons don't matters, only the challenge does.

And i'm pretty sure that your memories betray you and here is the reason: The longer you play the better you learn how to play mechanics and your general skill with your class improves. I would say if you would've to play that fight again you would say its easy.

Honestly i don't understand the fuzz about these earrings. They are earrings which means that most people won't notice them or even care. Also why don't you just enjoy that you've got them 5 or 6 years before all the others or enjoy them because you like them? Nope it HAS to stay unavailable because people want to show that they are supperior because they have earrings (lol) which are not obtainable anymore. Feels pretty petty to me.

[Erza_Scarlets]

It's a game people, se's game at that. Things change over time. Something they said long time ago doesn't mean it will never happen. At the end of the day 99% of the people complaining are still payng and playing the game so it changes nothing. Also does it really matter how you get x or y item? I wouldn't lose a second of sleep if se decided to give away anything I earned in the past. Simple fact I got it when I did and if it later on is easier or given away boo hoo doesn't hurt me in the slightest. Its just some pixels in a game that will eventually fade away.

[Zojha]

Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions.

Despite careful wording? The devs never phrase their stuff carefully. Let's argue semantics a little.

If you say something "will not happen" and it happens at any point in the future, your statement is untrue, because it did in fact happen. Without any limiter to the timeframe, it is equivalent to saying it "will never happen". The word "will" encompasses the entire future and "will not" does the same. "Will not ever", or "will never" just adds emphasis. This in turn can be used for jokes:

Right after Lunch:
A:"Will you please do the dishes?"
B:"Sure, I will do the dishes."
Days pass, dishes remain undone. A angrily confronts B.
A:"I thought you said you'd do the dishes!"
B:"I never specified when."
In this example, B is technically right. As long as he does the dishes at some time in the future, he remains true to his word, because "will do" has no time limit on it, it only needs to happen at all. However, from context it is obvious that A meant sometime soon and therefore is frustrated with Mr. Smartypants.

That said, our dev team uses "won't" a whole lot, which is pretty bad style. They even mockingly called the auto-demolition "a thing of the past" and didn't even have enough humor to call the auto-demolition feature "A Blast from the Past!" when it ultimately was introduced. Missed opportunity, I swear!

I'd say if the devs can't win here, it's because they didn't git gut. Or maybe it just gets lost in translation. Whatever. I certainly disagree that they are being careful with their phrasing. But, as per the premise, that's arguing semantics, which is fun, but ultimately pointless.

[worldofneil]

You still have your tattoo and pay less than me for your sub.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this.

To get the White Ravens you had to play in 1.0 and complete a specific fight.
Not all 1.0 players have a legacy account and only those who qualified for one have a Legacy Chocobo and the reduced subscription fee.
However, all 1.0 characters have a tattoo (confusing called the Legacy Mark).

So please can people stop mixing up Legacy accounts/reduced subscription fees with the White Ravens. They are not related.

[Canadane]

And i'm pretty sure that your memories betray you and here is the reason: The longer you play the better you learn how to play mechanics and your general skill with your class improves. I would say if you would've to play that fight again you would say its easy.

Honestly i don't understand the fuzz about these earrings. They are earrings which means that most people won't notice them or even care. Also why don't you just enjoy that you've got them 5 or 6 years before all the others or enjoy them because you like them? Nope it HAS to stay unavailable because people want to show that they are supperior because they have earrings (lol) which are not obtainable anymore. Feels pretty petty to me.

The game was legitimately much harder pre-re-release.
Also, you shoudn't diminish a trophy simply because they're earrings.

[Ilan]

The game was legitimately much harder pre-re-release.
Also, you shoudn't diminish a trophy simply because they're earrings.

There are so many worthless trophies because SE decided that everyone should be able to get them. Who cares about that? These things have been exclusive for over a half decade i think thats enough...not that i care about them in any way.

Oh i'm pretty sure it was much much much much much harder alone because of the lag...but we won't find out anymore if its just the imagination (yes memories can be a bi...) of the legacy players or if it is a fact.