White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Kallera]

That depends on the devs.

If you ever wondered why many devs say:"We have no intention to do X right now" instead of "We won't do X", this is why. Devs can stay true to the prior quote forever, regardless of what they do later, because they anticipated they might change their views in the future.

I honestly don't know what else players can say here. The devs were caught being lazy and dishonest. last time I checked, that can affect the trust between the parties involved in the promise in the first place. Legacy players have every right to be angry that the devs said one thing because they needed their compliance and did another now that they are successful.

[Velhart]

I honestly don't know what else players can say here. The devs were caught being lazy and dishonest. last time I checked, that can affect the trust between the parties involved in the promise in the first place. Legacy players have every right to be angry that the devs said one thing because they needed their compliance and did another now that they are successful.

Where exactly is the betrayal? Please post where they said this item will only be for people who obtained it in 1.0 and we will never distribute the item ever again. It seems like you are drawing your own narrative.

[Fawkes]

Where exactly is the betrayal? Please post where they said this item will only be for people who obtained it in 1.0 and we will never distribute the item ever again. It seems like you are drawing your own narrative.

Sorry for the delay while we got confirmation for you all -- the White Ravens will not be obtainable in A Realm Reborn.

[DrWho2010]

except it's not ARR anymore, it's Stormblood. =p

[Amiral_Benson]

except it's not ARR anymore, it's Stormblood. =p

Except this event happens in ARR and do not require STORMBLOOD.

[Velhart]

Again, as I said. He never said they would never be obtainable. He said they were not obtainable at the time. Nothing said here contradicts them coming out now. Again, you are intentionally taking it out of context to fit your narrative.

They started giving out old seasonal event items almost immediately, so becoming unobtainable never really meant anything.

Something can be unobtainable one day and obtainable the next. Unless he said we are forever never releasing these to the public ever, then you don't have a case to fall back on.

[Fawkes]

Again, you are intentionally taking it out of context to fit your narrative.

The context of that thread is pretty clearly asking if the white ravens would only ever be obtainable in 1.0, and the response in context is yes. Pretending like ARR doesn't mean everything after 1.0 or that 'unobtainable' is a completely meaningless word is actually taking things out of context.

Also it's not my narrative, I never got them in 1.0 so it doesn't bother me that much. They're kinda ugly so I'll probably just shove them in my armoire and forget about them.

[Velhart]

The context of that thread is pretty clearly asking if the white ravens would only ever be obtainable in 1.0, and the response in context is yes. Pretending like ARR doesn't mean everything after 1.0 or that 'unobtainable' is a completely meaningless word is actually taking things out of context.

Also it's not my narrative, I never got them in 1.0 so it doesn't bother me that much. They're kinda ugly so I'll probably just shove them in my armoire and forget about them.

It kind of is because they never said they would never be obtainable. They said they were unobtainable at the given time. If you had not noticed, a lot of times the developers and community team here carefully do not say things will never happen. Specifically because people act up like this. Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions. Developers can't win sometimes.

[Zojha]

Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions.

Despite careful wording? The devs never phrase their stuff carefully. Let's argue semantics a little.

If you say something "will not happen" and it happens at any point in the future, your statement is untrue, because it did in fact happen. Without any limiter to the timeframe, it is equivalent to saying it "will never happen". The word "will" encompasses the entire future and "will not" does the same. "Will not ever", or "will never" just adds emphasis. This in turn can be used for jokes:

Right after Lunch:
A:"Will you please do the dishes?"
B:"Sure, I will do the dishes."
Days pass, dishes remain undone. A angrily confronts B.
A:"I thought you said you'd do the dishes!"
B:"I never specified when."
In this example, B is technically right. As long as he does the dishes at some time in the future, he remains true to his word, because "will do" has no time limit on it, it only needs to happen at all. However, from context it is obvious that A meant sometime soon and therefore is frustrated with Mr. Smartypants.

That said, our dev team uses "won't" a whole lot, which is pretty bad style. They even mockingly called the auto-demolition "a thing of the past" and didn't even have enough humor to call the auto-demolition feature "A Blast from the Past!" when it ultimately was introduced. Missed opportunity, I swear!

I'd say if the devs can't win here, it's because they didn't git gut. Or maybe it just gets lost in translation. Whatever. I certainly disagree that they are being careful with their phrasing. But, as per the premise, that's arguing semantics, which is fun, but ultimately pointless.

[Brightamethyst]

I honestly don't know what else players can say here. The devs were caught being lazy and dishonest. last time I checked, that can affect the trust between the parties involved in the promise in the first place. Legacy players have every right to be angry that the devs said one thing because they needed their compliance and did another now that they are successful.

Like I said earlier, this is a no win situation for the devs. All those old statements people like to cry about (exclusive items, housing demolition, etc) were true when they said them and remained true for a long time afterwards. Things change over time though, especially in a living world like an MMO, but instead of understanding that circumstance can change, people just dig up old interviews and start yelling "they lied to us!" No one lied to you. It's just that the situation has changed and you don't like it.