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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Again, you are intentionally taking it out of context to fit your narrative.
    The context of that thread is pretty clearly asking if the white ravens would only ever be obtainable in 1.0, and the response in context is yes. Pretending like ARR doesn't mean everything after 1.0 or that 'unobtainable' is a completely meaningless word is actually taking things out of context.

    Also it's not my narrative, I never got them in 1.0 so it doesn't bother me that much. They're kinda ugly so I'll probably just shove them in my armoire and forget about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fawkes View Post
    The context of that thread is pretty clearly asking if the white ravens would only ever be obtainable in 1.0, and the response in context is yes. Pretending like ARR doesn't mean everything after 1.0 or that 'unobtainable' is a completely meaningless word is actually taking things out of context.

    Also it's not my narrative, I never got them in 1.0 so it doesn't bother me that much. They're kinda ugly so I'll probably just shove them in my armoire and forget about them.
    It kind of is because they never said they would never be obtainable. They said they were unobtainable at the given time. If you had not noticed, a lot of times the developers and community team here carefully do not say things will never happen. Specifically because people act up like this. Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions. Developers can't win sometimes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Velhart View Post
    Funny enough, despite careful wording, people still act up and draw their own conclusions.
    Despite careful wording? The devs never phrase their stuff carefully. Let's argue semantics a little.

    If you say something "will not happen" and it happens at any point in the future, your statement is untrue, because it did in fact happen. Without any limiter to the timeframe, it is equivalent to saying it "will never happen". The word "will" encompasses the entire future and "will not" does the same. "Will not ever", or "will never" just adds emphasis. This in turn can be used for jokes:

    Right after Lunch:
    A:"Will you please do the dishes?"
    B:"Sure, I will do the dishes."
    Days pass, dishes remain undone. A angrily confronts B.
    A:"I thought you said you'd do the dishes!"
    B:"I never specified when."
    In this example, B is technically right. As long as he does the dishes at some time in the future, he remains true to his word, because "will do" has no time limit on it, it only needs to happen at all. However, from context it is obvious that A meant sometime soon and therefore is frustrated with Mr. Smartypants.

    That said, our dev team uses "won't" a whole lot, which is pretty bad style. They even mockingly called the auto-demolition "a thing of the past" and didn't even have enough humor to call the auto-demolition feature "A Blast from the Past!" when it ultimately was introduced. Missed opportunity, I swear!

    I'd say if the devs can't win here, it's because they didn't git gut. Or maybe it just gets lost in translation. Whatever. I certainly disagree that they are being careful with their phrasing. But, as per the premise, that's arguing semantics, which is fun, but ultimately pointless.
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    Last edited by Zojha; 08-23-2018 at 01:47 AM.

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