White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Lambdafish]

But are those 1.0 cookies or replica cookies? If they're 1.0 legacy cookies how dare they!? Only Legacy players should have them!

Way to ignore the argument to fuel your own personal bias

[Ursa_Vonfiebryd]

I know this post is dated but I feel I have to put my two-cents in as well considering that I didn't even know the White Ravens were original 1.0 items until this post because I NEVER GOT TO PLAY 1.0 (and they don't really say they are in the event either).

I assumed, as I'm sure most did when the beta/1.0 was released that the content would be fully integrated into the game and not lost forever. All of you who played then have an exclusive experience that most of us can only watch on YouTube and read about in posts like this. (You also have your Legacy Mark, which I envy.) You have backstory and broken story paths. You know just how sad Dusk Vigil really is. You know what Coerthas looked like without snow. (And Cid without a beard).


I understand that it is feels like an affront but is giving out these items as a token of remembrance (and memorial for those of us who will never get to experience it) any worse than leaving the content out to be farmed unsynced? At least this way, they retain some value, instead of just being old forgotten content that no one touches anymore because who cares about earrings that none of you have probably worn or looked at in 4+ years. The fact that they come from 1.0 makes them priceless to me. Sorry if that makes everything you did in 1.0 worthless. :/

[Darrcyphfeid]

There is no argument to be made. This entire "controversy" was bogus from the beginning.

According to you and a couple others, sure. But until y'all want to sit down and explain why you think that, the default responses and the fact that Yoshida himself responded would seemingly indicate otherwise.

(and they don't really say they are in the event either)

They don't say much in the event, to be fair. They acknowledge the Lightning Returns event in the dialogue, but there isn't actually anything unique said to/about Legacy players. In an event supposedly dedicated to them. Everybody gets the exact same lines, the exact same way, unless you did/didn't do the aforementioned event. That has nothing to do with 1.0/2.0.

Which tells you everything you need to know about this game.

I assumed, as I'm sure most did when the beta/1.0 was released that the content would be fully integrated into the game and not lost forever.

There are multiple posts in this thread showing this isn't the case and that they warned people as such. There are even more where people try to twist the words plainly stated by the development and community teams, but that's beside the point. Case in point:

Q: Do you have any plans to give a special item to players who continue to pay the subscription from now until 2.0?
A: First, you'll be able to enjoy and participate in the Seventh Umbral Era event. There'll be achievements related to that which won't be available later. There'll be achievement rewards, battles with the Garlean Empire, and other items that will be exclusive to that period.

I understand that it is feels like an affront but is giving out these items as a token of remembrance (and memorial for those of us who will never get to experience it) any worse than leaving the content out to be farmed unsynced?

Undersized party toggle is one of the worst things that's ever happened to this game. We discussed it about 15 pages back if you're curious.

And yes, it is somehow worse than even that. Instead of undersizing content, they just threw the item at any lv30+ player that managed the truly spectacular feat of making it through 3 whole FATEs. And, as you yourself noted, it's not a remembrance of or memorial to anything because the game doesn't even bother to tell you of the item's significance or truly even who or what it's related to. It's about as noteworthy as the Cactuar or Bomb Earrings you could pick up for a couple Gil from a vendor to most people.

[seraf]

Way to ignore the argument to fuel your own personal bias

There is no argument to be made. This entire "controversy" was bogus from the beginning.

[Zephera]

It's an observation mate. People will respond to things on public forums.

BTW, if it's bait in your opinion, why did you respond to it?

[Emstidor]

Brilliant troll, or desperate call for help? You decide!

[Amiral_Benson]

These past days I encountered even often than usual concrete examples of why hard earned trophies should not be handed over like this.


In this pre-4.4 era, statics recruitments are all over the place, good time to try to find profiles of players willing to farm Ultimate. Among lots of players I contacted to ask them if they would be interested in farming both Ultimate once Alphascape down, they are many telling me it's not worth it, not worth the time and efforts, that the rewards are not only not good enough, but that they will eventually be handed over anyway.
For some I insisted, and desperately asked to come for sport and adventure, but while they are after that, without decent trophies, it doesn't make the all experience appealing enough.


While I had already answers like this in the past, what's new now, is people quoting me the White Raven incident when I say that we don't know if Ultimate trophies will be handed over later.


No matter since when they're playing FFXIV, the White Raven incident finished to convince players.
I'm getting answers like there are better rewarding and respectful ways to spend their time.
One told me she would not even go even if SE would state clearly that all Ultimate would remain sync forever, that their rewards would not end up in an anniversary event, because she can not trust SE statements any more.
One said he doesn't want to spend time there only to end up bitter the day everything will be handed over.
Etc.


The 3rd Ultimate got cancelled, probably cause not enough players interested by the rewards in comparison of the efforts required, and now instead of solving this by creating more incentives to tackle those fights (better rewards, milestone phases rewards, etc.), SE did the opposite, and it's working, players are sulking the most challenging fights of the entire FINAL FANTASY history, this is such a waste in many ways.

[BillyKaplan]

All I'm hearing is that people are after the awards so they can shove them in people's faces. Recognition is nice and all, true, and lord knows I only pay my own sub so I can't force anyone else to play their game however I want, but I certainly think you're in it for the wrong reasons. The hardest content I ever ran in the game was Seph ex pre-SB and Susano-Ex when it was remotely relevant, but I still remember feeling good when I cleared them, so I can relate to some degree. But I didn't put myself through it so people can oooh and aaah at my mounts and weapons.
Honestly, if people are worried no one's going to fall at their feet because of their shiny Ultima weapon, maybe it's a good thing they're looking for other ways to spend their time.

Especially when it comes to the earrings, seeing how until this blew up, chances are the vast majority of the playerbase didn't even know they existed, so even if you shoved them in our faces, all we could've done was shrug.

[Darrcyphfeid]

so they can shove them in people's faces

so people can oooh and aaah at my mounts and weapons.

no one's going to fall at their feet because of their shiny

if you shoved them in our faces

I present to you the only relevant parts of your post.

How you came to this conclusion based on Amiral's post is anyone's guess, 'cause that sure as hell wasn't what he said.

[BillyKaplan]

How you came to this conclusion based on Amiral's post is anyone's guess, 'cause that sure as hell wasn't what he said.

You beat the content. You know it, the people you ran it with know it, and there's even a date on when you got the achievement saying you got it when it was still relevant, when it was still at its peak, before any nerfs or power creeps. As such, I don't see the need for a 'trophy' people seem so hung up about. Especially when everyone knows the weapons will be redundant comes as early as, what, next week with 4.4? So the only good thing these trophies are good for is glamour and bragging rights, the latter of which you have thanks to other ways, too.
I'd let you argue that the White Raven earrings probably don't have that, but then I'll repeat the point these are unknown trophies to most of the playerbase so bragging rights feel a bit meh.