White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Luna-M]

Rest assured, the evidence I have has been sent to the appropriate parties both inside and outside of the game. Since screenshots and videos are not counted as official evidence as they can be edited, there's little point in leaning on them. The meaningful evidence is compiling detailed reports that include the names of suspicious players as well as the times and dates of specific incidents.

I'd be happy to discuss the matter to a degree over Discord if you really wish to do that - but it is very easy for an investigation to be thwarted and so I am leaving it in the hands of the appropriate authorities.

Now, this particular thread has long since gone off the rails...but it's likely better if we return to the original talking point which is the earrings.

I'm happy to continue the discussion over Discord, though if you want to do that.

You make it sound they committed a crime.

[Tiraelina]

Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

For someone who screams and clings towards having something to hold as recognition over others, you sure seem to like being in the back of the closet instead of in front. No one is giving or taking away your recognition because frankly, no one knew you existed in the first place. Now, people know you exist because of the earrings being brought back again.

I'm not diminishing what they are to you personally, you can have and keep the memories. That's fine, they're yours to keep. No one is taking away your sentimental value here. I'm diminishing a digital item that you're trying to keep away from other people simply because you think that they don't deserve it due to personal bias.

That's being selfish.

If your sole reason for no one else having the earrings is along the lines of "they don't deserve them because they weren't there", well then, by that logic, no one deserves anything that you own because they weren't simply there.

It doesn't work that way either as much as you hope it will.

I've already established this, multiple times at that. I understand the item has worth, which I was always talking about.

I'm done riding this roller coaster argument of the item is worthless trash but it would mean so much to give it out. This is like licking a strangers ice cream cone for a chance of them discarding it to take it yourself. Why do you care about these worthless items exactly? Why are worthless items going to suddenly broaden someones horizons. I'm sure it would be enlightening to know. This was ridiculous when it started, be honest or don't bother.

I really don't know where you came up this recognition angle, because it has everything to do with exactly nothing that I've said.

I don't think anyone beyond who has them deserves them because of their nature and what all of us were told at the time. I have a problem being lied to by the developers and fed recycled and what has been for many years, exclusive items and I'm not disregarding the principal of it. Yeah, I am biased towards them sticking to their guns, and? You want to dismiss both the value to those players, which have also spoken up against it, and statements from the developers with various hand-waving. You're somehow not ...?

If I'm selfish for getting tired of SE backing up all the time, so be it. I'll take it proudly.

SE reserves the right to deny you access to their servers and their accounts they allow you to rent on their game. You do not own them, whereas the ring in your example, you own and keep. That is why physical copies of things like games disc are such a major issue (when on the topic of digital downloads). Literally stopped reading there because you cannot differentiate between real value and fabricated value (false scarcity).

Literally, XIV goes poof, your account's value poofs with it. It's not a hard concept.

How convenient you trimmed my post to cut off "They also want those rings back when you die or retire, just so you know." and then claim you own the ring. Yeah, it's "yours", so long as you are alive as an active engineer. That licence agreement didn't change when games turned digital either. The fact they became online services that require a server on the other end, did.

You're the one that brought up real world monetary value in regards to an item in an active game, That differentiation doesn't mean anything. Things are worth whatever someone is willing to pay for them, or are we going to act like D2 items selling for thousands never happened. Among countless other examples in games. I'm sure they just had an omnipotent being tell them D2 was going to be around for as long as it has been though, because why would they spend that much on a worthless item in an online game over a decade ago.

[Dzian]

The way I see it, exclusivity in a game is really dumb.

The Olympics are games. Is making gold medals exclusive to winners "really dumb"?

Football is a game is making a league trophy exclusive to the winning team "really dumb"?

Baseballs a game is making the championship trophy exclusive to winners "really dumb"?

Basketballs a game is making a tournament trophy exclusive to winners "really dumb"?

Ice hockey is a game.... You get the picture...

I could keep going... material or digital it makes no difference. Is the money you have in the bank meaningless because your bank balance is just digital pixels on a screen and not actually physical notes in your wallet?

Digital stuff is no different from material. that's why there's been that massive scandal over ownership of digital information and privacy.

I'm not diminishing what they are to you personally, you can have and keep the memories. That's fine, they're yours to keep. No one is taking away your sentimental value here. I'm diminishing a digital item that you're trying to keep away from other people simply because you think that they don't deserve it due to personal bias.

That's being selfish..

What's selfish is when people have no thought or consideration for what trophy items actually represent or signify to the player base. All they care about is themselves and the fact that they want one.

If players want to completely destroy the meaning and significance of a trophy just so they can have one. Now that's being selfish.

I think it's not a case of players wanting to block others from getting the item. they just don't want them to lose there significance.

[JunseiKei]

How convenient you trimmed my post

I do this to address a certain section of someone's post. Sometimes they derail or make blanket statements that I simply don't want to address.

<Insert sport> are games.

Ah, let me clarify this. Games with virtual worlds and are otherwise fabricated or not based in reality. Games and their associated content with no tangibility. Once someone decides to pull the plug, the game you're playing, your account, your time and money invested, has no actual value. The only thing you're left with are memories during that time and nothing more.

I sincerely hope that clarifies it for you, though I thought since we were on an MMO, this would have been a given. My mistake in this assumption.

There we go. More "I'm only going to wear them to be irritating to other people". Fantastic reward planning, SE.

Great community btw!

Even I have fallacies and degrade to be like my fellow peers. ♥

(Actually, if you had taken in the context of my ire, you'd realize I was not-so-subtly saying, "You guys blew this far out of any appropriate portions by creating such outcry over something that simply doesn't matter. This is akin to telling the internet not to do something. As we know, the internet will go out of its way to do just what you told it not to do." SE cannot control individuals, so I'm not sure why you're passing blame on the company when the fault lies on both sides of the community.)

[Dualgunner]

I think there'll be two things that would settle a lot of people down.

1) If they add the word "Replica" to the end there.

2) If they were to have players fight Nael in a remade Rivenroad HM, or a T9 setting. They were rewards specifically for beating Nael, so perhaps make them available from now on as a drop from T9 with a force sync to 50.

Which, if I'm hearing rumors right, we might get that second one. Or something similar.

[Canadane]

Sure most would like the fight proper back. Old engine and all.
But I think most would settle on a replica item instead. It's such an easy fix!

[Kaurhz]

Sure most would like the fight proper back. Old engine and all.
But I think most would settle on a replica item instead. It's such an easy fix!

Granted most people would be ok with this, but people would still complain, and not to mention it develops the poor mentality that anything can be handed out provided they label it a replica. You'd then have an outcry for people to release previously exclusive items as replicas, and many other difficult items to obtain. It's fine, just slap the word replica on it.

[Canadane]

Granted most people would be ok with this, but people would still complain, and not to mention it develops the poor mentality that anything can be handed out provided they label it a replica. You'd then have an outcry for people to release previously exclusive items as replicas, and many other difficult items to obtain. It's fine, just slap the word replica on it.

We already have many replica items in the game as it is. Some "better" than the originals even.
So it's not like they haven't done it before, yet for whatever reason they don't want to do it now.

[Kallera]

Granted most people would be ok with this, but people would still complain, and not to mention it develops the poor mentality that anything can be handed out provided they label it a replica. You'd then have an outcry for people to release previously exclusive items as replicas, and many other difficult items to obtain. It's fine, just slap the word replica on it.

We are suggesting changes to an event item, not solving for free will.

Because this adjust doesn't fix every problem ever in the game is no reason not to do it.

[SenorPatty]

Sure most would like the fight proper back. Old engine and all.
But I think most would settle on a replica item instead. It's such an easy fix!

After what I've seen from this thread, I am 100% convinced there'd be a 50+ page thread about those replica.

This makes for a very entertaining commute reading though.