White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[Canadane]

In a week or two, this topic will be dead and forgotten and everyone would have gotten over this. Just like the Moogle suit, veteran glamours, hellpups, and any other thing that was made no longer exclusive.

We should know by now that things change.

SE will either change it out for a Replica version, or they won't.
People are arguing their case now and once the event hits there's no going back. So yes the topic will absolutely die off soon, but that doesn't mean people will be happy about it.

Players voice their concerns all the time. This one happens to just have a fast approaching deadline.

[Wyvernheart]

A special auction house like ffix would get my attention.

[Alestorm]

A special auction house like ffix would get my attention.

So like the Black Market Auction House in WoW? It was a good idea for a gold sink, but people could grind gold so easily it made the idea worthless. It actually made RMT more prevalent than it had been in a long time.

"Why farm for a mount when I can pay some slaves in China to get me gold capped and buy it from a shady Pandaran woman?"

[Tiraelina]

It's not irrelevant. The Terms of Conditions state clearly that the game can and will change at the whim of the developers. Clearing a specific fight five years ago really isn't some sort of amazing feat. Quite a few 1.0 players have popped up in this very thread to state that they don't mind the items being added. So it's not as if there's a specific consensus on the matter.

The entire thing is being blown out of proportion. It was a minor feat in a game that had to be shut down and relaunched. Nowadays, the current game is what is most important - and it's time for older players to pass the torch to the next generation.

Yes, and its especially irrelevant to your excuse using the ToS. Does that somehow invalidate everyone else now because a handful spoke up? You're going to call it the torch, after calling it a minor feat? Really now? You're dancing between it being nothing and significant at the same time. It either means something or it doesn't, you can't have both. It's amazing how valiant someone can act over getting someones digital memento from a time they chose not to participate in or didn't even know about. Games get shut down after being written off as a failure and relaunch all the time, right? No, they generally stay dead.

I don't care if they are unobtainable. They are literally code in a virtual world and have no value in the real world. This is a fact. You're comparing a real life status symbol to something that is fiction. Real world things are given vanity value because of monetary representation (which people can and do disagree on). However, again, this is line of code that can be replicated endlessly.

Let us not forget 1.0 had a pretty steep demand on a PC to be able to play it and is one of many elephants in this room of a topic. Also, seeing Bayohne's statement, they said the White Ravens would not be obtained in A Realm Reborn. That's cool - they kept their word as it's now Stormblood (inb4 nit-picking argument; didn't say 'Final Fantasy XIV' but a specific expansion of said game). To put it in another scenario, they could re-release the same item with a different name. They'd still be keeping their word, as well.

However, again, I feed back into my statement:
The earrings have no actual value. The value comes from what you feel is there due to sentimental value. People want 'badges' and 'notches on their belt' to show off.

Let me ask you something else:
Are you upset Hildibrand and Good King Moggle Mog are content that is replicated in ARR? Why or why not? Shouldn't they also have this same exclusivity standard? Are you only placing items on a pedestal? What if SE added Riven Road and added Nael as an echo fight and gave the earrings that way? Would you be just as upset?

Yes, they are just code, again, trying to diminish the value of something to somehow make it more acceptable. Why is a piece of iron more more valueable than a piece of code, both made as a memento and reminder? You bring up monetary value, you think XIV accounts don't have that or something? (Don't bother with but the ToS!) They also want those rings back when you die or retire, just so you know.

Those requirements are not nearly as overblown as you are trying to make them either. Seeing how multiple people were complaining it didn't run well trying to run it with everything on high, which renders the internal frame buffer at double resolution, turning your 1080p into 4k, that many years ago. It's good to hear you know that you are nitpicking a statement where the future beyond 2.0 wasn't even known to the public and likely not even internally at that time. A Realm Reborn wasn't an expansion regardless, it was tag line associated with everything post shut down to differentiate it.

Hildibrand and King Mog weren't part of the Seventh Umbral Era content, so? Do I really need to say more than that? Your next question was already answered "never-to-be-repeated drama of the Seventh Umbral Era.". I would love to go into more detail on that last one regarding the event, but I don't feel like getting banned for talking about other sources.

That's a poor argument and you know it. It doesn't matter if someone did or didn't like 1.0 at the time, some people couldn't afford to pay the subscription fee for 1.0, some didn't know XIV existed. It could be a plethora of reasons. Stop making baseless assumptions to back up a selfish "screw you, got mine" mentality that doesn't need to exist with a pair of virtual earrings. This is all incredibly petty.

If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

[Sigma-Astra]

If they didn't like it, why do they care about something from it very directly aimed towards those that did? This goes right back to not knowing it existed.
If they couldn't afford it, it wasn't significant enough to allocate or earn money for it.
If they didn't know it existed, why is this a point again?

You're welcome to show me where this missing timeline is that I took my miner to go get them, because that is a baseless assumption. Being selfish is fighting this hard for something you missed out on because someone else didn't.

Yes, I do see your other post trying to diminish what they are. As if it makes it more acceptable. It doesn't work that way.

Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

For someone who screams and clings towards having something to hold as recognition over others, you sure seem to like being in the back of the closet instead of in front. No one is giving or taking away your recognition because frankly, no one knew you existed in the first place. Now, people know you exist because of the earrings being brought back again.

I'm not diminishing what they are to you personally, you can have and keep the memories. That's fine, they're yours to keep. No one is taking away your sentimental value here. I'm diminishing a digital item that you're trying to keep away from other people simply because you think that they don't deserve it due to personal bias.

That's being selfish.

If your sole reason for no one else having the earrings is along the lines of "they don't deserve them because they weren't there", well then, by that logic, no one deserves anything that you own because they weren't simply there.

It doesn't work that way either as much as you hope it will.

[Fawkes]

Alright, why do you care so vehemently about other people having access towards an item that is suppose to mark the 5th anniversary of XIV, a game that you seem to enjoy playing just as much as those other people, an attempt to broaden the horizons of other players and give them an inkling to what happened in 1.0 when so many barely know you exist? Do you enjoy being ghosts of past? Because, that's very much what you are right now.

Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

People who already have White Ravens are getting fewer rewards from this event. I wouldn't call them selfish, they're already getting the short end of the stick. The Rising should be celebrating the games history and the people who've been with it all along, not kicking them in the pants.

And SE is probably only giving them away because they already go in the armoire so it saves them from having to take the time to make something new, even a replica. It's lazy and bad.

[Sigma-Astra]

Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

People who already have White Ravens are getting fewer rewards from this event. I wouldn't call them selfish, they're already getting the short end of the stick. The Rising should be celebrating the games history and the people who've been with it all along, not kicking them in the pants.

It is. It's celebrating the players that were a part of 1.0 and the players that have been playing since ARR's rebirth. That is the game's entire history right there. This game is not just about the 1.0 players, it's literally not just about you. It's about all of us. One person alone cannot stand for the entire MMO, the community does and right now the community is nitpicking and being petty against each other over a pair of damn earrings and who should have them and who shouldn't instead of being happy that the game has been around for five years at all.

[JunseiKei]

Well it's not an item marking the anniversary to the people who already have them, or people who played 1.0 and knew about them. If I stumble across them in my armoire in a year or two I'm not going to think "that was the event item made for the rising event!"

Actually, people like me who did Coils in 2.X (or even now and actually watched the cut-scenes) would still know the significance of Nael, the White Raven, and his role in bringing the calamity upon Hydaelyn. Its place in The Rising is not lost on those that follow the lore, regardless of being a legacy player or not. However, that completely relies on the person caring about the story to begin with. I would say Sigma-Astra hit the nail squarely on the head.

[JunseiKei]

Yes, they are just code, again, trying to diminish the value of something to somehow make it more acceptable. Why is a piece of iron more more valueable than a piece of code, both made as a memento and reminder? You bring up monetary value, you think XIV accounts don't have that or something?

SE reserves the right to deny you access to their servers and their accounts they allow you to rent on their game. You do not own them, whereas the ring in your example, you own and keep. That is why physical copies of things like games disc are such a major issue (when on the topic of digital downloads). Literally stopped reading there because you cannot differentiate between real value and fabricated value (false scarcity).

Literally, XIV goes poof, your account's value poofs with it. It's not a hard concept.

[Enkidoh]

Right. Also, FFXI has an Auction House ('AH') too which suffered pretty much the same problem, being used by gilsellers to move their ill-gotten loot (SE tried to control it by instituting taxes on purchases but it just drove players to use player-bazaars on alt 'mule' characters which would congregate around the zone lines outside cities, Rolanberry Fields specifically - this is why FFXIV does not have an AH and bazaars were rolled into retainers, their original function).

So an AH will not add anything more to the game at this point other than bring back the same old problems FFXI had, something I'm sure Yoshi is definitely mindful of. But I digress, as we've gone off topic...