White Raven earring given out at The Rising event 2018

[MomomiMomi]

Legacy isn’t all about the reduced sub, or the “tattoo”, it’s not a tattoo per se, or the chocobo, or the goobbue, or the earring or the horn, or any of those items. It’s about putting your faith in a company and a team and having that faith rewarded. That is what legacy is really all about. Every time they undo part of the tangible items, such as the earrings or other things, they are undoing that faith. They are saying “You were wrong to put faith in us, we aren’t any better.”

Your faith was rewarded. They gave you A Realm Reborn.

[alimdia]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

[Istaru]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

You’re correct, giving away the earring does not remove my memories. I don’t think I said that, if I did, then I misspoke and i apologize.



Before anyone exclaims about it being Stormblood, I agree, it is Stormblood.

Seasonal event items, achievement reward items and seventh umbra era items were added during ARR. One of them, the moonlet, actually went straight to the cash shop.

When SE said all those things, like everyone else, I believed them. Why wouldn’t I? That is my point, I’m disappointed that I trusted them and it seems more and more that it was misplaced.

Again, for me, it’s not so much about the earrings. It’s more about trust and faith in a company and a team to do what it says and says what it does.

Again things change, I agree. I feel it would go a long way if they acknowledged that they stated those things and they are undoing them. Respect people enough to tell them what you are changing and why.

For these things, why did SE feel it necessary to completely walk back those statements rather than make similar items like the Sylph Goobbue? For the earrings, why couldn’t they make them darker in color and call them Black Ravens? Doing that, people get something very similar and they maintained what they said they would do.

While it doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the past, it casts a shadow over the present and future.

[Melichoir]

When SE said all those things, like everyone else, I believed them. Why wouldn’t I? That is my point, I’m disappointed that I trusted them and it seems more and more that it was misplaced.

Again, for me, it’s not so much about the earrings. It’s more about trust and faith in a company and a team to do what it says and says what it does.

Youre hinging your trust in the company about a piece of glamour from an iteration of the game that is no longer accessible due to it being TERRIBLE (the game was literally remade) from 5 years ago.

This seems a touch absurd.

"I cant trust SE anymore cause theyre giving away an item I earned from 5 years ago in a version of the game no longer possible for the specific reason that the game was bad and was remade. How can I ever trust them again!"

I dont mean to be patronizing or simplistic, but thats the best way I can surmise your feelings on the issue. You say its not about the earrings, but on some ambiguous notion of trust. You behave like SE has to, above all else, honor every single agreement ever made and never change their positions, particularly in regards to content 5 years ago that nobody can even play because it is literally discontinued and taken out of the game.

As I said, its a touch absurd, and frankly, not within even pragmatic reason. This isnt like them saying "Nah, were gonna give out Ultimate Bahamut weapons for this upcoming event for free!". It's them taking an old asset from a 5 year old part of the game that is no longer even playable in the harshest sense (not a discontinued event, or a yearly thing, but literally from a version of the game that is no longer available anywhere on grounds of remaking the game from the foundation up) and giving it away as an event item so more people can have the item for glamour. If this qualifies as a violation of your trust, then you have ridiculously high standards.

[Istaru]

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I am going to have to ask that you go back and reread my statements and possibly the couple of other posts I made. I think you missed the point, especially if you didn’t read all of them. I already said what significance the earrings specifically have. Spoiler: on their own? Not that much.

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me, feel free, I cannot have a discussion with someone who is unwilling or unable to listen and consider things objectively.

[Melichoir]

I am going to have to ask that you go back and reread my statements and possibly the couple of other posts I made. I think you missed the point, especially if you didn’t read all of them. I already said what significance the earrings specifically have. Spoiler: on their own? Not that much.

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me, feel free, I cannot have a discussion with someone who is unwilling or unable to listen and consider things objectively.

Am I wrong to surmise the issue isnt the earring but your 'trust in SE' that if they promise something that it stays that way?

That trust hinges on whether or not they give away an item earned in 1.0. An item they said, at the time, was exclusive. That this violates that trust an item you have as promised to be exclusive is no longer going to be. A violation of principles.

If so, then Ive addressed that. Your standards of trust is absurdly high considering the situation. It matters little whether its earrings, or gloves, or any other piece of glamour. The principle your making is "I now trust them less because something they said 5 years ago from removed content that was objectively terrible is being broken." Youre placing to much emphasis on promises long honored from aspects of the game that are objectively removed. It can be argued, easily enough, that 1.0 is a different game all together. If this is your standard for 'trust in SE', then I think youre a touch to high on it.

If not, then please clarify once more, either with your own words, or directing me to your earlier posts. Asking me to dig through 70 pages of replies to find all your posts on the matter is a touch mindless.

[Tsalmaveth]

If you still feel the same way and wish to continue attacking me.... *snip*

I think this is why people are just going around in circles so much. People are not willing to debate or have differences of opinions without seeing it or making it personal. Was the above person actually attacking you, or where they debating your position/debating your statements? This is to everyone. People are not going to agree. A lot take this personally and perhaps need to step back now that they have made their points.

[Alleo]

Istaru, at the end of the day your experience is what matters, no one can take that away from you, the lack of artificial scarcity shouldn't retroactively diminish your experience.

I think a big problem is simply that SE likes to state one thing and suddenly change it months/years later if it does not fit their view anymore. Yes things can change in development but there is a point where one really has to ask "why should I even trust any word that comes from you anymore?". And the worst is that I just cant see why it was necessary to break the words on that special case. These are earrings, that most players will probably throw into the chest and never really wear, so why was it even necessary to bring them over? If they remember their promise, why not just simply create a new exclusive item for this event? I dont own them but I still feel that this is cheap, simply because its bad for some 1.0 players and because I just see it as a cheap way for a event reward. (But should not be surprised to see another reused item.)

If you dont know if you can keep a promise than simply state it that another way. And if you get the feeling that you might need to break one then try to find a way which will make it less bad. (Which for example is giving it the replica name)

[Nixxe]

I think a big problem is simply that SE likes to state one thing and suddenly change it months/years later if it does not fit their view anymore. Yes things can change in development but there is a point where one really has to ask "why should I even trust any word that comes from you anymore?".

You should trust that it is their current intent, but realize that it's subject to change later down the line, and make decisions accordingly. Loyalty and appreciation are ideas to be sold to customers because it fosters something akin to the genuine feeling in them. They are something to be cast aside if there is a chance of greater profit elsewhere. This is how business works. You are just a source of income and your dollars are not worth any more than anyone else's dollars unless they are available in a greater amount.

Businesses are not your friends. You are not a friend to businesses. Capitalistic exchange is about mutual parasitism. You try to suck them dry while defending yourself from their attempts to do the same to you. You are only "allies" so long as your self-interest happens to align and not a moment longer.

[Alleo]

You should trust that it is their current intent, but realize that it's subject to change later down the line, and make decisions accordingly. Loyalty and appreciation are ideas to be sold to customers because it fosters something akin to the genuine feeling in them. They are something to be cast aside if there is a chance of greater profit elsewhere. This is how business works. You are just a source of income and your dollars are not worth any more than anyone else's dollars unless they are available in a greater amount.

Businesses are not your friends. You are not a friend to businesses. Capitalistic exchange is about mutual parasitism. You try to suck them dry while defending yourself from their attempts to do the same to you. You are only "allies" so long as your self-interest happens to align and not a moment longer.

Thats true, but that does not mean that a business should try to destroy the good will of their customers because that will sell less stuff in the future. Just look at EA and its reputation. It still makes money but the question is how many more it could make if people trusted them and did not believe that they are only into this for the money.

So if SE (or the FF14 team) just breaks promises left and right I feel less like spending money at their company. I bought way more stuff years before but I wont buy things from the mog station or merchandise anymore because I dont want to further give them money. I also only still play this game because there is something that I like but if nothing much changes with 5.0 I will be gone. And the only product that I will buy from SE is Kingdom Hearts 3 because I still have at least some trust for that team. Otherwise they wont see money from me thus a loss for them.

edit: Also about those that say that this topic is absurd and should not go on: Nobody is forcing anyone to still read it. If I for example read a topic that I truly dont really care for then I simply dont read it or stop posting in it. As long as the debate remains civil why is there a problem to continue posting in it? If the GMs believe that its enough they will close it but as long as its open and someone wants to post they should be able to. Because its not like posting here stops anyone from posting somewhere else so there is no harm done.

Also if all languages talk about this (even the JP players) and have people in it that are unhappy, maybe it is a topic that is worth discussing. It does not mean that you have to be of the same opinion but at least respect those that are emotional hurt or annoyed by this and want to talk about it. A topic is not only worth something if its a problem that you have.

If you go through a particular poster's post history and the vast majority of their posts involve complaining about the game then suggesting that they close their browser and/or take their leave of the game is a fair suggestion. I'm not going to beat around the bush and pretend as if this isn't the latest forced controversy for some of the posters who seem to get up in arms over every little thing. It wasn't so long ago that there was a thread with pages and pages of people complaining about the fetch quest tied to the Ridorana Lighthouse unlock sequence. Then when that particular argument wore thing the narrative shifted to bashing Ramza for not being politically correct.

Really? Strange how its always fine to complain if its something that annoys the poster but as soon as its something positive people are overdramatic, should stop playing the game, are not true FF14 fans and more...


Leaving a old quote from you here. If someone else says that people should stop posting if they have nothing to say or are not interested then they are a tone police and yet you also posted that in another thread.

If anything is making the forum unpleasant, it's the very vocal portion of the community that seek to justify everything that the developers do, shouting down even those who post constructive criticism. It's the reason why I no longer bother with Reddit.

If you don't like a thread, nobody forces you to post in it. It's also pretty obvious from the title what a particular thread is going to be about. It's your responsibility to find the threads you like and post in them. Yet let's be honest - it's pretty clear that many of those concerned about 'negativity' enjoy the drama in many cases. They wouldn't be posting stuff like 'can i hav ur stuf' if they were truly so committed to a pleasant, peaceful atmosphere.

I am normally not the one to look up post history because it should not be part of a discussion, but if you go around and point out how others are just complaining and things like that then its enough.

Lets respect both sides and stop putting one side down because it does not fit with ones opinion. And I found the OP and lots of other people to be really respectful and constructive so its not a simple"drama thread".