So, how is Pagos?

[Rokke]

Lets talk about relic grinds, shall we? Aether grinding gave me the option to do different things to earn light. Sometimes I ran savage. Sometimes I farmed 24 mans for gearing alts. Most often, I just did my dailies. Books gave me the options to complete tasks in the order I wanted. Personally, I liked to knock the fates out of the way first so that I could do the kill counts little by little when I was bored. Fates could be done solo or with friends/strangers who were also working on their weapons or just willing to help out. Umbrite, crystal sands, and clusters could be bought from doing various different activities. Some were faster than others, but I could mix and match depending on my free time & how much progress I wanted to make in a night.

There are zero options here in Pagos. I'll type it again, this time in bold so hopefully my point gets through: There is no other way for me to earn this relic other than to suffer through Pagos's mindless training dummy grind. Imagine if spamming ARF was the only way to earn umbrite for the anima, that you had to hunker down and spam the dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over. Its just as stupid a concept as Pagos.

[Zsolen]

Lets talk about relic grinds, shall we? Aether grinding gave me the option to do different things to earn light. Sometimes I ran savage. Sometimes I farmed 24 mans for gearing alts. Most often, I just did my dailies. Books gave me the options to complete tasks in the order I wanted. Personally, I liked to knock the fates out of the way first so that I could do the kill counts little by little when I was bored. Fates could be done solo or with friends/strangers who were also working on their weapons or just willing to help out. Umbrite, crystal sands, and clusters could be bought from doing various different activities. Some were faster than others, but I could mix and match depending on my free time & how much progress I wanted to make in a night.

There are zero options here in Pagos. I'll type it again, this time in bold so hopefully my point gets through: There is no other way for me to earn this relic other than to suffer through Pagos's mindless training dummy grind. Imagine if spamming ARF was the only way to earn umbrite for the anima, that you had to hunker down and spam the dungeon over and over and over and over and over and over. Its just as stupid a concept as Pagos.

Then don't do relic. Why should anyone get a relic weapon, when they are focusing on other objectives/ content? You are basically asking for free stuff, while doing other things.

Bolding is no different from all caps. Please, don't do that.

If people are dying and losing chains, it isn't mindless. Anemos became mindless. Dungeons and 24 mans are mindless. A1S during the light step was mindless.

[Rokke]

Bolding is no different from all caps. Please, don't do that.

If people are dying and losing chains, it isn't mindless. Anemos became mindless. Dungeons and 24 mans are mindless. A1S during the light step was mindless.

PAGOS IS MINDLESS

and a serious reply:
Your argument is that all relics are grindy so thats why pagos should be grindy. Ok, well all relics gave me options to the grind ..but you say pagos shouldn’t because options are freebies. Were the old relics all freebies then? My Zeta, my various Anima were all given to me because I didn't want to beat my head against a single thing for days on end?

[Zsolen]

PAGOS IS MINDLESS

and a serious reply:
Your argument is that all relics are grindy so thats why pagos should be grindy. Ok, well all relics gave me options to the grind ..but you say pagos shouldn’t because options are freebies. Were the old relics all freebies then? My Zeta, my various Anima were all given to me because I didn't want to beat my head against a single thing for days on end?

And this is why no one bothers talking to people on the forum... you have nothing to say and aim to push others out of speaking their minds. Yes, the former relics were freebies (to an extent), if you chose not to focus on them. SE is heading in the correct direction. Relics are not meant to be easily obtainable items.Anemos was also way too easy.

[Souljacker]

And this is why no one bothers talking to people on the forum... you have nothing to say and aim to push others out of speaking their minds. Yes, the former relics were freebies (to an extent), if you chose not to focus on them. SE is heading in the correct direction. Relics are not meant to be easily obtainable items.Anemos was also way too easy.

Where exactly are you getting the information that relics are not meant to be easily obtainable items? And what exactly has been 'hard' about any of them thus far?

Pagos sucks because it sucks. I am not even getting started on the relic - the content itself isn't content at all and NONE of the relics have been hard, but at least the earlier ones just had you repeating decent content ad naseum. I'll take that over this any day.

I played a bunch in anemos because believe it or not, the train brought back that feeling of hanging around with players in a party that I had in XI. Except instead of 5 others, it was half the instance. The shout chat was glorious. It wasn't the GREATEST content ever created but damn, I enjoyed it once it really started to roll.

This iteration goes out of its way to not even be remotely enjoyable. I don't care if they reduce drop rates to 1 thing per every 20 things as long as the content is reasonably fun to play.

You want a relic that took forever and was serious work? Get a time machine and go build an Apoc.

At least Dynamis was fun.

[Rokke]

And this is why no one bothers talking to people on the forum... you have nothing to say and aim to push others out of speaking their minds. Yes, the former relics were freebies (to an extent), if you chose not to focus on them. SE is heading in the correct direction. Relics are not meant to be easily obtainable items.Anemos was also way too easy.

The thing is you seem to have some for headcanon that relics are supposed to be hard. XIV Relics have always been for everyone, thats why they’ve always included various casual ways to earn them. Up till the final step, they're casual weapons for casuals to work though on their own time at their own pace. People who wanted them faster could no life the most efficient ways, but that has always been optional.

If you want the prestige of something exclusive and hard to earn you're free to farm UWU. Thats literally what its there for.

[Zojha]

Then don't do relic.

Truth be told, that would honestly be the best thing people can do.

Don't do it and tell other people to resist the temptation as well unless they really like Eureka. Everyone who forces themselves to do it for the relic really just tells SE that their attempt to compensate the design of Eureka with a highly coveted carrot is working as intended. Which means there is no need for them to change anything about it.