State of the Game: Savage+ Dungeons and End Game Leves

[KisaiTenshi]

Mythic+ does far more than just HP/DMG up buff. Mythic+ is some of the most fun gaming I've ever had in over a decade of MMO's. It absolutely changes the way you approach a dungeon.

I have not played WoW, I played Mabinogi which every piece of content had a "beginner", "easy", "hard", "extreme", etc tier that the dungeon actually changed for, but ultimately the monsters were just buffed up, and you could still faceroll it by bruteforce throwing bodies at it, or spamming hundreds of pots.

At its core it's a scaling dungeon system. You get a key for a random dungeon that you then try to beat the timer on. At the first few levels, there are no affixes, just raw hp/dmg modifers. Depending on how fast you beat the dungeon the more your key "levels up". Once you hit level 4, an affix gets added. It might be something like:

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I have dozens more examples of times we had to get creative to solve the puzzles Mythic+ presented us, and it's why I defend it so heavily.

Great, so you actually enjoy a mechanic that another MMORPG has. That doesn't mean it would work here, where all the dungeons and monsters are balanced against the jobs.

There are exactly 0 people in this thread who have requested that, so either please put an iota of effort into actually reading/understanding what people want. No one wants an HP sponge update.

Yet the actual description for Mythic+ is literately that. I know there is more to it, but you're ignoring the elephant in the room that the FFXIV content doesn't scale in that direction.

Source? Also why do you think that only raiders would be interested in harder dungeon content? Your immense hatred for raiders literally oozes out of your word selection. Your bias is honestly depressing and not healthy at all.

Because the raiders are the ones that present all the bad ideas that would create nothing but DPS sponges if no thought is put into it.

We have a Tank-Healer-DPS setup, Increasing the HP of the mobs only increases the time it takes to kill the mobs, it adds no additional mechanics. And a lot of that comes from the trash mobs in content lacking any kind of defensive actions. There are never "healer" mobs, there are rarely tank mobs in dungeon content, only in guildhests and solo content are healers and tanks ever present.

Like? Give examples of new content they should come up with. Mind you I agree that that the content durability design is awful.

One of the key things missing in existing content is not having the mobs play by the same trifecta. If the content was to be "made challenging" the entire RPS scheme needs to be fit. eg Party tank attacks belligerent DPS, Party healer heals party tank/party DPS, party DPS attack belligerent healer first and ignore belligerent tank, or split the belligerant's tank attention to make them stop defending their healer. These things exist in the solo content when the belligerents are other player-character npc types. Monsters don't do this at all, and some bosses have add phases that are closer to throwing DPS, not healers into the battle.

And I imagine the reason for this is that SE doesn't see any value in making the trash mobs an endurance test either. They're road cones, nothing more.

I'd have to turn on HP values again to verify this, mind sharing your source and how you determined this? Not saying you're wrong, but I'm curious how you quantified it.

This is a complicated matter, suffice it to say, basically I suspect there is a level table the server follows when it spawn mobs, and thus all mobs of X level have the same HP in the same way that players with no gear would. Player-type mobs have gear, monsters that aren't bosses do not, hence the consistent HP/MP.

Enrage timers are incredibly valuable. They show us who is contributing and who is getting carried.

IMO, all bosses should have an enrage timer, even MSQ. Obviously the reason there aren't on MSQ is because the content needs to be clearable by players who haven't played any of the content (jump pots) to understand the mechanics, so they're more forgiving than they need to be. As I've said in the past, existing content's difficulty curve is basically a low bar to clear, and then suddenly the end content spikes up because the gear creep no longer allows it to be a faceroll.

Like existing content has 90 minutes to do content that can be cleared in 10 minutes if done perfectly. There is no reason an enrage timer should be hit except to say "you're doing this horribly wrong"