Sexual harassment

[Enkrateia]

Greetings, everyone!

While I will not be removing it at this time, the addition of race and the police to the discussion does seem to be a digression that is off of the original topic, unrelated to FFXIV, and seems to be changing the tone of the overall discussion. Hopefully we can stop that side discussion so it doesn't impact the ability of the thread as a whole from continuing or cause responses to posts that may result in moderation action from the GM team.

Thank you for your understanding!

LGM Enkrateia

[KaivaC]

I disagree....people are riled up as it is...and this thread is being read by victims or at least people who know them.
Giving "supposed/alleged" testimonies of cops shooting victims is not what I call a good discussion point...example or not.
It belongs somewhere else.

The point is to help people speak up...not scare them to oblivion.

I am not sure why you are being so incredibly aggressive with your postings for some of the disagreements made about your posts, a good portion of which didn't have hostile intent behind them in the first place. The issue that was brought up with law enforcement is another facet - I don't necessarily agree with how that argument was presented, but it is something that a lot of us minorities do concern ourselves with because that is a fact of life for us. I don't believe there was any intent to go into fear-mongering about reporting things like this to law enforcement, just bringing up another facet that may be on the minds of other folks who are experiencing said trauma in their online/real life ongoings. I don't believe that most of the victims in the original story are paying any attention here in the forums - from what I have seen, TMP is in the middle of a nasty, public war that seems to be centered on Twitter and Discord at the moment.

I am positive that Kerwin and others support coming up to law enforcement - I don't think anybody is discouraging this. I share their feelings that some individuals just may be hesitant or fearful of coming to law enforcement for a multitude of reasons. This is a very tough situation, and I feel that when it comes to something within FFXIV, it is a part of the discussion that could be taken into consideration when talking about why some victims may not initially come to law enforcement for help. On the bigger picture of things, how would the dev react to this in light of the Koike Incident, if the devs react to this at all. The mods have certainly taken notice both here and on reddit.

**edit** In light of the mod's post above, maybe it's a good idea to get away from the subject of law enforcement and fears and race - as stated above, it is a hot topic that is like to completely derail the topic.

[EdwinLi]

I think we need to take a step back into this being a ingame issue and not something people have taken into real life (and hopefully never becomes a direct issue towards the player him or herself in real life as I already mentioned how some people take these issues into real life.)

The topic is about the issue of sexual harassment in the game and how to deal with it in the game.

As I said the best method is through taking a image of the actual incident and reporting it since SE always want physical proof of it. If that does not work then the next best thing is to do this old school and let the player base community know about what this person is doing. Don't forget back in the older MMOs the reputation of a player was very important to getting involved with other players in their MMO community and a bad one will easily scare them in the community to be mass blocked or prevented from playing with other people which would also lead again to a investigation on the player themselves by the game developers again to see why this is happening.

[QT_Melon]

Greetings, everyone!

LGM Enkrateia

Will SE be able to give any statements on the matter in an official capacity at some point? I know you give general ones but would like to know their input on making it a safer environment for the community

[Anatha]

When I was 18, I would not have listened to them. I was certainly old enough to understand what was going on. She knew he needed to be blocked. You don't make decisions, based on social status.

FC leader should have kicked whoever was needed to be kicked, rather than leave. Barring that the 18 year old should have left the FC. You shouldn't want to be in a FC that doesn't have your back. We all had 'friends' that weren't really friends. You drop them like a bad habit, no matter how much time you spent together.

But were you groomed by a serial abuser and his friends?

Also important to point out that 18 year olds are children and the man in question was a fully grown adult.

You might think you'd have fared better, but hindsight is 20/20 and no one was ever as sensible and level headed as they like to think they were as a child.

He's a predator, children are very vulnerable to it, ESPECIALLY those who have been abused in the past.

[Zsolen]

But were you groomed by a serial abuser and his friends?

Also important to point out that 18 year olds are children and the man in question was a fully grown adult.

You might think you'd have fared better, but hindsight is 20/20 and no one was ever as sensible and level headed as they like to think they were as a child.

He's a predator, children are very vulnerable to it, ESPECIALLY those who have been abused in the past.

You aren't groomed from an online game, and 18 is an adult. You know better at 18.

[Seig345]

I don't know about that... an 18 year old might know better than a 14 year old, assuming the 18 year old goes through the same things the 14 year old eventually will... just like a 28 year old knows better than an 18 year old (again assuming the 28 year old actually experiences what the 18 year old eventually will)

Age doesn't automatically bestow experience, it just means you've been alive longer and were statistically more likely to have experienced more things. Culture shock isn't something that only happens to 14 year olds, it's adults experiencing new things in a new place where the local adults had experienced it for most of their lives.

My point being there's no age where you just *poof* automatically know better in any given topic, let alone emotional abuse.

[Zsolen]

I don't know about that... an 18 year old might know better than a 14 year old, assuming the 18 year old goes through the same things the 14 year old eventually will... just like a 28 year old knows better than an 18 year old (again assuming the 28 year old actually experiences what the 18 year old eventually will)

Age doesn't automatically bestow experience, it just means you've been alive longer and were statistically more likely to have experienced more things. Culture shock isn't something that only happens to 14 year olds, it's adults experiencing new things in a new place where the local adults had experienced it for most of their lives.

My point being there's no age where you just *poof* automatically know better in any given topic, let alone emotional abuse.

18 is way past the mark of knowing better. Even 14 is past it. In fact, this person clearly did know better, but changed course. It was deemed the socially acceptable option.

[Okamimaru]

Saying anyone should know better because of age is foolish... what about people who are on the autism spectrum? They don't always understand social interactions the way most of us do... and we have plenty of players who fit on the spectrum... are they just supposed to know what they are getting into? And God knows 14 yr olds can't make important decisions and few have any foresight whatsoever... how many 14 yr olds would you trust with a handgun? Or your car? And let's try to remember the emotional hormonal nightmare going through puberty was...

[Aellae]

The lack of both comprehension at first and then empathy second, and also the amount of people thinking themselves beyond abuse and fault while being absolutely narrow-minded about the lengths to that people that want to harm others go is astounding. After chiming in every now and then I hope this thread dies down soon because a few people share some really questionable insights and it makes me lose any leftover hope for mankind.

Opinion is all good and dandy but maybe a few here should sit down and think first before actually typing a response, especially considering the sensitivity of the topic.