Sexual harassment

[ForctyusGold]

its sad to hear that, it never happens to me to this day. My experience is doing emotes to other people who are looked good, but i dont think it can be explained as harassment. Maybe someone are more affected? In the end this is just a game, and mmorpg, it can happen, you can also report them for this behaviour, maybe GM will speak with you about that... I dont think this is a problem.

[Rogatum]

Wow. If that's the impression you got from my posts then I'm not sure that it's even worth discussing this topic with you ever.

Also, please join the year 2018. Sending nudes is neither illegal nor morally wrong. However, distributing nude photographs or videos that somebody has given you as a form of blackmail is both.

In short: There's extremely obvious merit to doing what you can to protect yourself but I'm far more interested in working against the people who actually did something illegal or highly immoral as opposed to the person who didn't. The victim already knows they could have done something different to prevent this, they don't need to hear it over and over and over again. Speaking as somebody who has experienced this, it's 100% not so simple, and I don't know how often people are going to need to repeat this. Abusers do not come at you with fangs, they come at you with smiles.

Again: Just because you can hurt someone doesn't mean you have to.

It would be nice to live in a world where you can leave your home unlocked and not worry about someone breaking it, or share someone who you are currently intimate with something more personal and not have to think about what might come of it if things do not work out, or not have to worry about someone trying to take advantage of you when you are most vulnerable. Sadly this not the world we live in, nor do I feel this will be the world any of us will live in our life time.

Like you said abusers do not come with fangs bare, they come with smiles. So people should be more careful and give their actions a little extra foresight and think about the what if's before they act. If they are comfortable with the what if's then by all means go for it, but if someone has any doubts about the what if's maybe they should refrain from doing it, and if the person you are with still pushes the subject then maybe said person is not who they thought the were.

General you not you, you. Overall I agree it just because someone can hurt someone does not mean that they should. Sadly that is not the world we live in, and since that is not the world we live it is on you to do what you can to protect yourself or at the very least understand that every action you take has an inherent risk. We should understand that risk. Sending someone nudes may allow them to use them against you if things do not work out, or having unprotected sex, you run the risk of getting pregnant. Don't you also feel if someone if not comfortable with those risks that they should refrain from doing those actions?

I think that is what most people are saying.

[Zsolen]

People are always going to take advantage of others. No cultural shift will change that. Legislation can help with the perps, but nothing will stop the mentality of hurting others from continuing to happen.

[Rogatum]

I also agree, people will always prey on the weak. No change in culture will alter this fact. Though taking action in your ones own hands, seeking a community blacklist or shaming a person before anything can be proven without a reasonable doubt, is not justice. As the saying goes fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. The thing is people have been fooled so many times and their stories can be found people should learn from the experience of others and apply them to their own encounters. Do not repeat the mistakes of the past, we have no reason to. No one saying that this will make one immune to abuse or harassment, but at the very least it will make it that much harder for one to become a victim of it.

[Seig345]

The fault of abuse always lies with the abuser. That's the easy part.

The abused, however, garners a separate fault (fault in the abuser remains the same) the more times they find themselves abused by completely different abusers, and may need to seek professional help if that's the situation they find themselves in. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me." That applies both to the same person fooling you twice as much as it applies to failing to learn that unfortunate lesson about humanity in general. Giving carte blanche to the accuser only opens up potential for another tool for the exact same kind of abuse.

One reasonable solution is simply raising awareness of abuse both towards yourself and recognizing when it's happening to a loved one, and any potential flaws in the legal system in regards to proper punishment for those who are caught and proven to be guilty of abuse.

The absolute solution would be World Peace; good luck with that.

[Sigma-Astra]

Honestly, when an abuser gets outed as an abuser....word of mouth goes a long way in damaging what credibility that they have left. I'm not saying that's a perfect solution or a good punishment. But, it does help steer people away, the more people that know, the less likely others will be pulled into his web hopefully.

[Rogatum]

That is the issue with court of public opinion people have, guilty until proven innocent is not justice and the outcries often follow a mob mentality. In any other context would you like to be put into the a position where the burden is on you to prove your innocence, when everyone already thinks you are guilty? Personally I would not, so I will give the accused and the accuser the same consideration that I would like to receive if I ever found myself in that situation. End of the day for even 4% is too high for me, if their a chance of false accusation I do think the public should respect that chance and give the accused a fair chance to defend themselves instead of blaming the legal system and taking justice in their own hands.

[Elamys]

That is the issue with court of public opinion people have, guilty until proven innocent is not justice and the outcries often follow a mob mentality. In any other context would you like to be put into the a position where the burden is on you to prove your innocence, when everyone already thinks you are guilty? Personally I would not, so I will give the accused and the accuser the same consideration that I would like to receive if I ever found myself in that situation. End of the day for even 4% is too high for me, if their a chance of false accusation I do think the public should respect that chance and give the accused a fair chance to defend themselves instead of blaming the legal system and taking justice in their own hands.

That's fine, it's just when people only take that view towards instances of abuse and harassment and never think that way when it comes to other crimes that it becomes a problem.

[Joven]

That's fine, it's just when people only take that view towards instances of abuse and harassment and never think that way when it comes to other crimes that it becomes a problem.

Other crimes usually have clear evidence as to someone's guilt, harassment not so much. Anyone on this thread can say someone on here is harassing them simply because that person is repeatedly objecting to what they post. Does that mean the objecting person is actually guilty of harassment? It could seem that way because it could be taken as that person is going out of their way target the other individual. Should they be criticised and ostricised for that?

[Elamys]

Other crimes usually have clear evidence as to someone's guilt, harassment not so much. Anyone on this thread can say someone on here is harassing them simply because that person is repeatedly objecting to what they post. Does that mean the objecting person is actually guilty of harassment? It could seem that way because it could be taken as that person is going out of their way target the other individual. Should they be criticised and ostricised for that?

There are very clear legal definitions of what constitutes harassment and assault. Whether or not a crime was committed doesn't hinge on whether the victim could have acted differently.