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    Tridus's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    I actually hate that knockoff mechanics now just mean you have to wait a few seconds before you can be ressed. Falling off should mean falling off and you're out for the rest of the fight. When they changed that in Sophia I was baffled. To this day I STILL hate that change.
    The problem with that is that it's not interactive. If you fall of early because of lag or a mistake and it's a 10 minute fight, what are you now doing? Playing on your phone, alt+tabbing to something else, getting up and leaving the game entirely, or in the worst case scenario, the group calls for a wipe and restart because you now can't beat enrage and will fail in 8 minutes (granted this one can happen in some fights anyway if you're very tight on DPS already, but this would make it far worse).

    All of those, frankly, suck. Telling people to stop playing the game for extended periods of time is flat out poor game design as you're encouraging people to leave the game to go do something else. You're not allowing them to learn from mistakes by getting up and trying it again, and you're excessively punishing the rest of the group by dramatically increasing the cost of a death to the party. If a healer dies, should the outcome of that really be to punish the other healer by forcing them to solo heal the entire thing?
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tridus View Post
    All of those, frankly, suck. Telling people to stop playing the game for extended periods of time is flat out poor game design as you're encouraging people to leave the game to go do something else.
    I did push out a response for that. Just make them like the walls in T5/9. If you land in it you die instantly, maybe even with a debuff that blocks resurrection for a time. I agree that the falloff mechanic is overused, and that it should be used less. But please make falloff actually mean fall out of the arena for the attempt. In its current state, what's the difference between a falloff vs a wall that simply instagibs you? That's what baffles me. The falloff is just a death wall with a different coat of paint.

    Quote Originally Posted by KisaiTenshi View Post
    Like my preference would be something closer to much longer timeout (eg 30 seconds) before being returned to the platform, and it could be done cheekily with Midgardsormr just tossing you back onto the platform with 1hp, so the healer has to get you right away or you're going to get ko'd by the next thing and need a rez anyway. But you need to also make sure it's not a way to cheat an enrage mechanic, so "everyone jump off" = reset.
    Yeah, I hear you. Hence the "Resurrection Blocker" debuff to keep you from being able to be immediately ressed. I do like that idea of Middy throwing you back on with 1HP. That's an idea I could get behind. But now I'm reminded of Lakitu in Mariokart just cheekily chucking you back on the track with that smug grin on his cloud... The idea is I want falling off to not just be a death wall with a different coat of paint, but the only way I could think of was "Out = out". Your idea of chucking them back on after 30 seconds with 1HP would achieve making falling off be something different. Good out of box thinking.
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    Last edited by Paladinleeds; 05-06-2018 at 10:51 PM. Reason: Clarifications
    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.