Only 2/5 Endgame content currently viable, why?

[Lucifer]

Because you don't understand things in game development costs a lot of money, and they can easily soften the blow by subbing a fee for a basic game (you pay a lot more monthly for something you should already get for free in your life, btw.)

XIV has already been free for over a year, making almost no money, you expect them to run an absolutely free MMO (-box cost) for another year with almost no profit? I'm pretty sure Square isn't self-funding this game for no reason, and sooner or later other departments will eventually feel XIV's development sting if they keep funneling money into the project but producing nothing in return.

The game is essentially in development. Are we both funding AND buying their product? That is preposterous. I'd like to earn some of the revenue this project makes; if were becoming investors.

[Zoltan]

"No soup for you.....NEXT!"

[Teuciont]

Why do people suddenly think I'm against the way they're doing it now in 2.0? In 2.0 they'll have content to go through. Right now, they don't. Why is crafted gear so damn strong? Why can't gear from Darkhold/FactionNM/WorldNMs be viable? Being able to do Ifrit naked doesn't really help my argument, but why would I do any of those other things more than once if I could buy gear off the AH and materia as well much easier? Sure, you can do those things once, for the experience. But then that's it. There's NO point to do them again. But it's okay to do Ifrit over and over and over and over and over and over and over? And for what? The loot. I'm not saying "you have to play a MMO for the loot," I'm saying the experience that comes with finishing a dungeon or downing a powerful foe is THAT MUCH SWEETER when you get something that can help you down an even MORE powerful creature and make you feel even more powerful.

Am I supposed to feel like I'm roleplaying(here's the term RPG of MMORPG in play) when I can destroy a primal god with nothing but my briefs on? Am I supposed to feel worthy to be able to do battle with this lord of fire after having no(or needing no) prior accomplishments other than having killed loads of small fry Amalj'aa or Ixali? Wouldn't it be more fitting to go through rare monsters, Ogres, Demon Lords, Gigantic Buffaloes, a herd of Goats led by an elder?

[Claire_Pendragon]

endgame is a term that came from chess, and it means the last few moves before you finish your opponent off, so for a few of you this might be endgame, subs = ragequit, game finished. but anyway those that say this is not endgame because we have a levelcap to come and a lot more content on the way are quite right

any way don't take my word for it this is what oxford dictionary had to say on the matter

noun
the final stage of a game such as chess or bridge , when few pieces or cards remain:
the game was adjourned after 41 moves in a rook and pawn endgame
figurative
Clinton went into the 1992 endgame with a lead in more states than Carter in 1976

so not at endgame coz all the pieces have not been put on the board yet :P

And in chess, putting the pieces back on the board and doing it again, with new rules, or extra spaces (as a potential in the year 2034) means it's no longer end game?

since an MMO can't ever "end" there can never be "endgame".

MMO players and creators use the term endgame, to represent what can you possibly do, after you have reached the games current cap.

ppl mention sky etc as endgame, yet the cap was raised far above 75... so it was never endgame back then?

it may be terrible half a$$ed endgame, but its what we are given to do after max current level.
it is endgame for now. (it wont be later.)

[Zoltan]

And in chess, putting the pieces back on the board and doing it again, with new rules, or extra spaces (as a potential in the year 2034) means it's no longer end game?

since an MMO can't ever "end" there can never be "endgame".

MMO players and creators use the term endgame, to represent what can you possibly do, after you have reached the games current cap.

ppl mention sky etc as endgame, yet the cap was raised far above 75... so it was never endgame back then?

it may be terrible half a$$ed endgame, but its what we are given to do after max current level.
it is endgame for now. (it wont be later.)

In chess, you are checkmated and you lose. Game over. You can ask the winner for a rematch, but you lost. You're a loser.

If you change the rules in chess or add more spaces then it is no longer chess. Although there is endgame in chess it is not really a good analogy to compare with an MMO. You might as well have said there was an endgame in Sorry, Checkers or PONG.

You are wrong about the 75 level cap in FFXI not being endgame. The level cap was 75 for a VERY long time. There were merits that you could earn after level 75. There were also areas where you needed level 75 friends or linkshells to conquer diffficult NMs like Jailer of Love.

Calling the current state of FFXIV as endgame is ridiculous.

What do you mean by: "it wont be later"

It wont be half(censored) later? If you mean that it won't be endgame later, then you are contradicting yourself.

[Murugan]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

[Zanfire]

Wow, semantics... sorry but endgame refers to the top tier content currently available and relevant for those players at level cap. It always has, and always will.

Of course they will add more later, it is an MMO that is what they do, but right now stuff like Ifrit/Strongholds are the endgame activities.

You know your defense of something is getting desperate when you have to try and argue definitions XD

[Murugan]

You know your defense of something is getting desperate when you have to try and argue definitions XD

Defense of what? This stuff is endgame, and it doesn't "not matter" to people at endgame just because there will hopefully be much better stuff down the road.

People at endgame, who enjoy endgame, for the most part want more to do at endgame than just 2 things. It isn't "defending" anything, it is just asking for a reasonable commitment for the money we pay for continued development of content for us to play.

When I play an MMO I pay a subscription for the continued development of endgame content (especially in the last 5 years as the rest doesn't last past the free month). I just want more activities than 2 things... I don't think that is too much to ask for at all. All it takes is a shift in their design philosophy or for them to develop more content.

At any one time for endgame (meaning the content that people do after they reach the level cap, and assuming they did all content up to that point) to consist of less than 5 separate encounters is insufficient. I have never played an MMO long term that had such few encounters.

I have progressed through content to the point where there were only a few fights relevant to me, but someone reaching 50 right now does not need to do darkhold/world NM's/faction NM's at all (except for "fun", in which case I guess we have 5,892 endgame activities if you count every high level mob in Mor Dhona as "endgame").

That's the gripe most people at endgame have right now, and the purpose of this thread. It doesn't matter how "challenging" they make the moogle fight, if that is all we have to do for the next 3 months it is going to get very repetitive. Something which could easily be solved by giving us more to do (either a reason to do the other stuff, or preferably some new content like a few high level NM's)

[Bowen]

You mean there's something else?

The enjoyment of playing the game?

[Zanfire]

Defense of what? This stuff is endgame, and it doesn't "not matter" to people at endgame just because there will hopefully be much better stuff down the road.

People at endgame, who enjoy endgame, for the most part want more to do at endgame than just 2 things. It isn't "defending" anything, it is just asking for a reasonable commitment for the money we pay for continued development of content for us to play.

When I play an MMO I pay a subscription for the continued development of endgame content (especially in the last 5 years as the rest doesn't last past the free month). I just want more activities than 2 things... I don't think that is too much to ask for at all. All it takes is a shift in their design philosophy or for them to develop more content.

At any one time for endgame (meaning the content that people do after they reach the level cap, and assuming they did all content up to that point) to consist of less than 5 separate encounters is insufficient. I have never played an MMO long term that had such few encounters.

I have progressed through content to the point where there were only a few fights relevant to me, but someone reaching 50 right now does not need to do darkhold/world NM's/faction NM's at all (except for "fun", in which case I guess we have 5,892 endgame activities if you count every high level mob in Mor Dhona as "endgame").

That's the gripe most people at endgame have right now, and the purpose of this thread. It doesn't matter how "challenging" they make the moogle fight, if that is all we have to do for the next 3 months it is going to get very repetitive. Something which could easily be solved by giving us more to do (either a reason to do the other stuff, or preferably some new content like a few high level NM's)

i hope you know i was agreeing with you and that i think its getting petty of some of the "white knights" of this game come down to having to argue what endgame really is as part of the argument.

Being a player of FFXI it feels like we were spoiled with how much we had to do. This game has been a joke, and i still cant get it through my head how people WANT to pay for this game, or constantly give it pity for spending the last year trying to fix what was one of the worst things to come out of SE. Its an utter joke and we as customers should not have to pay a red cent until its up to their complete standards (aka: 2.0) ....its a giant revison with huge sweeping changes for a reason. If they were so confident with what we will have in 1.20 then 2.0 would never have been mentioned and everyone would have to accept it as what they consider ready to be re-released.....but its clearly not.

SE has some balls expecting people to pay for this 1.0 garbage.