Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Sigma-Astra]

That doesn't work when runaway habits effect everyone else playing the game because the bean counters now want to cater to those habits. Numerous threads begging for more things to be added to the mog station instead of in-game where most of it should be. Constant downplaying of how bad it actually is.

Yea, but is it really worth getting yourself all stressed out about something so trivial? You're basically getting yourself (and I'm not meaning you, just a general you) angry over what other people do with their disposable income. The question is, are you getting angry over the items in question because you want them yourself and just either can't afford them and other people can? Or, are you getting angry because you don't want anything at all and feel that because there's no value in it for you that they don't need to exist period for anyone?

I don't really 100% agree with the cash shop either, but I have spent money here and there sparingly over the course of 5 years on items. In total I've only bought 4 things: (Starseeker Bow (Missed the event), the Eastern Lady Togi, the Fuma Kimono, and the blue Carby mount). And that's whenever I had the extra funds to do so and that was my business alone, most of them were just little things to brighten my day if I had a bad day at work or just a crappy month in general.

You can't really put a price on other people's happiness and what they find that has meaning or value to them. And I guarantee if you were to walk up to someone and say "Hey! I see that you're going to spend $24 on that mount in the cash shop. Don't do it."....they're probably going to look at you sideways and question why your opinion has any weight on their own wallet.

I don't know, maybe I'm at that point in age where what I do with my wallet is my business and if someone tries to tell me otherwise, well....unless they're going to offer to pay my sub or utility bills for me, then they can have a foot in the door about what I do with the money.

[HyoMinPark]

It doesn't help that this isn't widespread knowledge.
I didn't even realize this (and it is helping me accept the cash shop's existence for this specific set for the same reasons you mentioned. If a different entity from SE has a stake in these, of course they won't be included in the sub).
I do wonder though, how many cash shop exclusives (exclusive as in: not from a past event) are because of this reason? Is it the majority of it? Or just some of them?

These are the region exclusives that have been included in our cash shop, to my current knowledge:

China:
Far Eastern Lady’s Attire
Far Eastern Lord’s Attire
Far Eastern Barding
Nezha Lady’s Attire
Nezha Lord’s Attire
Nezha Barding
Nezha Chariot
Angelic Barding
Demonic Barding
Eastern Dance

Angel Attire (not in Mogstation, but data exists in the game files)
Demon Attire (not in Mogstation, but data exists in the game files)

Korea:
Far Eastern Matriarch’s Attire
Far Eastern Patriarch’s Attire
Far Eastern Beauty’s Attire
Far Eastern Gentleman’s Attire

There is also another Korean exclusive outfit that includes the really pretty flowy dress that clips to all hell and back when you sit down, but that have the cutest set of heels, that will probably end up in there eventually as well.

I heard something about the Fuga Attire being from a JP 7/11 event, but I am not entirely sure. I also think that the Doman Magpie minion is from the Korean version of FFXIV, but I would have to research and find a source to back that up.

I do want to add that the items on the Chinese shop appear to be purchased with 点券, which roughly translates into some sort of point vouchers—I’m guessing this is probably their equivalent to Crysta? Or something similar maybe? I am trying to figure out how much it costs for said vouchers to figure out just how much they would pay for this stuff (the Fire Footwheels mount is 22,800 点券, for example), but I don’t understand Mandarin without the help of a translation tool, so it’s a bit difficult lol. I’m thinking I would have to probably have an account to see specific values. This is assuming that they aren’t purchased from elsewhere, of course. Korean items, as far as I know, are in Korean Won, but I would have to find specific advertisements to confirm.



I also wanted to add a response to the individual who keeps talking numbers about the cash shop versus in-game items—you do realize that in that 368 number you’re quoting, there are items included such as job potions (one for each kind save RDM/SAM, so 13 total), Retainer (lol) jump potions (3 bundles—1, 3, or 5), MSQ skip potions (1 for ARR skip and one for ARR+HW skip, so 2 total), rare dyes (that are also obtainable in-game, mind you; and are in bundles of 1 pot or 10 pots for 20 different dyes), Fantasias (3 bundles—1, 3, or 5) and past event items (that were first released in-game). The amount of Mogstation exclusives are far smaller than that 368 value you keep giving.

I apologize for name calling, but it's honestly how I feel about those people. And btw, I stand by my hypothetical. I'm paying for my time in this wonderful world they've created, but they're taking some of that world and gating it off behind a paywall.

Again, I'm not asking for these items "for free". I'm asking for them because they've already been paid for. With sub money.

No one has successfully called me out on being unreasonable, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I should have explained my points better.

Your subscription does not pay for the cash shop items—it gives you access to the server and the content developers deem to put on them. Nothing more. If they weren’t in the cash shop, they just wouldn’t exist at all. Or would be tied to other external merchandise (artbooks, OSTs, statues, plushies, etc.). Or a promotional event that may or may not be as successful/smooth in some countries as opposed to others (looking at you, Amazon promos for the Maid/Butler Attire). You wouldn’t see them appearing in the game for free; they’d be designed specifically for other external purchases, or just not at all.

Your hypothetical is still poor. As I said to you previously, did SE take away 10% of your subscription period and then demand you pay then $15 to get back those days they took (referencing the cashier charging you $1 for the candy bar, but then taking away 10% and asking for another $1 to get it back)? No, they did not. Are they forcing you to buy the optional items on the cash shop? No. Are said items key to your in-game progression? No.

[RiyahArp]

I'm not saying the cash shop is bad or everything should be free. It's just that they need to be careful they aren't pricing a lot of content out of reach or that prices and content gets too high that we start getting a two tier playerbase. I'm not opposed to cash shops in general. and FFXIV is really good about none of these things affecting player power or needing to be must buys. I just feel that its really easy to become unaffordable; you can look at other games selling stuff for like $50 or more. They have to be careful a bit and remember their playerbase has various income levels and ability to spend, and be wary of too many cash shop goods.

I mean, they can do things like have sales, include discount coupons from buying other SE games, run promotions, sell other goods instead of digital (dvd release of daddy of light anyone?), or even do spinoff FFXIV games for single or multiplayer. I'd really enjoy a decent $20 figure of some of the ffxiv crew, for example.

[AppleJinx]

This is why when people told me the players ASKED SE for mog station to be a thing I didn't believe them but after looking at the replies on this post I am not so sure anymore

[Krotoan]

I apologize for name calling, but it's honestly how I feel about those people. And btw, I stand by my hypothetical. I'm paying for my time in this wonderful world they've created, but they're taking some of that world and gating it off behind a paywall.

Again, I'm not asking for these items "for free". I'm asking for them because they've already been paid for. With sub money.

No one has successfully called me out on being unreasonable, as far as I'm concerned. Perhaps I should have explained my points better.

You are still under the assumption that all of these items would exist if the cash shop wasn't a thing. A lot of these were created FOR the cash shop. If it never existed, neither would those items. THAT is what people are calling you out for. You are posting about how you feel you are being cheated out of items you wouldn't have gotten anyway because they never would have been made.

[KaivaC]

I feel like since the thread was posted this morning, the conversation is starting to devolve into two sides – those for it and those against it. From what I’ve read up to this point, there’s been a few snippy comments between the two sides (obviously, it’s not dominating the conversation, but it’s still there). Quit it. The folks who are against it are not unreasonable nor do they need to be insulted or talked down to condescendingly. They have legitimate gripes about recent changes, whether it be because of recent issues with Square’s cash grabby tendencies as of late, or certain things being overpriced, or anything of the sort. I know I haven’t seen any unreasonable comments from those against it…those are legitimate reasons to have a gripe about the cash shop as it is.

Those who have purchased any of the new items from the cash shop update are not idiots either. Regardless of how one may not like those of us who have bought it, or how one may construe this as overall support of Square, some of us just liked the items we saw and bought it. That doesn’t make us wrong either. The nature of the general discussions have just started to become far more negative than usual lately. Is it deserved because of the devs? Maybe, maybe not. The general discussions in particular are now starting to turn into those other toxic forums for other games, and it’s not a good precedent for things.

I get that people are unhappy – but ranting and raving over every little thing is not going to help anything. Some things that have been said, not only in this thread, I have agreed with. Some things I have not agreed with. But literally every single thing since Eureka has been pretty much argued to death, and its getting wearisome because the general discussions are starting to become an overall negative place.
Just some food for thought.

[HyoMinPark]

The folks who are against it are not unreasonable nor do they need to be insulted or talked down to condescendingly. They have legitimate gripes about recent changes, whether it be because of recent issues with Square’s cash grabby tendencies as of late, or certain things being overpriced, or anything of the sort. I know I haven’t seen any unreasonable comments from those against it…those are legitimate reasons to have a gripe about the cash shop as it is.

It’s pretty unreasonable for those against the cash shop to call people who do purchase off the cash shop as “idiots” or “whales”, Kaiva. It’s also unreasonable for them to attempt to dictate or question what others do with their personal disposable income. It’s also mildly unreasonable for them to assume that these items would suddenly be cheaper than any of the prior items released just like it. As I said before, the precedent for the price tag has been set.

If calling someone an idiot for spending their money how they see fit is not an unreasonable comment, then I don’t know what is. Don’t devolve into name-calling, and maybe people won’t sit here and dismiss your points, or call you unreasonable. Not reverting to exaggerations and hyperbole also helps.

As for the toxicity surrounding this thread, that has been the case for almost every single Mogstation item added since the Lightning/Snow Attire was added in March 2016. It’s not really anything new. I’m more surprised when something is put on the cash shop and people aren’t creating a billion threads complaining about it.

[MomomiMomi]

You are still under the assumption that all of these items would exist if the cash shop wasn't a thing. A lot of these were created FOR the cash shop. If it never existed, neither would those items. THAT is what people are calling you out for. You are posting about how you feel you are being cheated out of items you wouldn't have gotten anyway because they never would have been made.

I find it highly improbable that Odin would not have dropped Sleipnir if the cash shop didn't exist.

[Sigma-Astra]

I get that people are unhappy – but ranting and raving over every little thing is not going to help anything. Some things that have been said, not only in this thread, I have agreed with. Some things I have not agreed with. But literally every single thing since Eureka has been pretty much argued to death, and its getting wearisome because the general discussions are starting to become an overall negative place.
Just some food for thought.

This is a really excellent post and kind of plays into my feelings when I first made that topic, like, seriously...everything has seemed so volatile as of lately no matter the topic.

[HyoMinPark]

I find it highly improbable that Odin would not have dropped Sleipnir if the cash shop didn't exist.

If Odin had had a mount drop in his trial, I would not have been surprised at all by it being a black/purple reskin of the other ARR ponies. Considering there are no other deviations from such sets save for the “you got them all!” version (Kirin/Firebird).