Cash shop pricing is getting a bit much...

[Remedi]

I'm not fine with the shop, I think past events items should've been added to events vendor each time. As for this set and all the chinese imported ones, they should've stayed in their respective server with all due respect.

While I can give a pass for mounts since wow has opened the flood gates, emotes are something I consider bleh, though I'm conflicetd because from one hand I can see that some are simply basic animations ripped and made an emote out of it, from another hand those are essentially ripping access to existing, already used animation and sold to the masses

I'm not scandalized by the shop simply because as said wow set the precedent I don't think there's a sub mmo without a shop

That said haven't spent a dime on it and I'll continue on that way, my stingyness is useful in some places

[RiyahArp]

I'm not saying the cash shop is bad or everything should be free. It's just that they need to be careful they aren't pricing a lot of content out of reach or that prices and content gets too high that we start getting a two tier playerbase. I'm not opposed to cash shops in general. and FFXIV is really good about none of these things affecting player power or needing to be must buys. I just feel that its really easy to become unaffordable; you can look at other games selling stuff for like $50 or more. They have to be careful a bit and remember their playerbase has various income levels and ability to spend, and be wary of too many cash shop goods.

I mean, they can do things like have sales, include discount coupons from buying other SE games, run promotions, sell other goods instead of digital (dvd release of daddy of light anyone?), or even do spinoff FFXIV games for single or multiplayer. I'd really enjoy a decent $20 figure of some of the ffxiv crew, for example.

[AppleJinx]

This is why when people told me the players ASKED SE for mog station to be a thing I didn't believe them but after looking at the replies on this post I am not so sure anymore

[KaivaC]

I feel like since the thread was posted this morning, the conversation is starting to devolve into two sides – those for it and those against it. From what I’ve read up to this point, there’s been a few snippy comments between the two sides (obviously, it’s not dominating the conversation, but it’s still there). Quit it. The folks who are against it are not unreasonable nor do they need to be insulted or talked down to condescendingly. They have legitimate gripes about recent changes, whether it be because of recent issues with Square’s cash grabby tendencies as of late, or certain things being overpriced, or anything of the sort. I know I haven’t seen any unreasonable comments from those against it…those are legitimate reasons to have a gripe about the cash shop as it is.

Those who have purchased any of the new items from the cash shop update are not idiots either. Regardless of how one may not like those of us who have bought it, or how one may construe this as overall support of Square, some of us just liked the items we saw and bought it. That doesn’t make us wrong either. The nature of the general discussions have just started to become far more negative than usual lately. Is it deserved because of the devs? Maybe, maybe not. The general discussions in particular are now starting to turn into those other toxic forums for other games, and it’s not a good precedent for things.

I get that people are unhappy – but ranting and raving over every little thing is not going to help anything. Some things that have been said, not only in this thread, I have agreed with. Some things I have not agreed with. But literally every single thing since Eureka has been pretty much argued to death, and its getting wearisome because the general discussions are starting to become an overall negative place.
Just some food for thought.

[HyoMinPark]

The folks who are against it are not unreasonable nor do they need to be insulted or talked down to condescendingly. They have legitimate gripes about recent changes, whether it be because of recent issues with Square’s cash grabby tendencies as of late, or certain things being overpriced, or anything of the sort. I know I haven’t seen any unreasonable comments from those against it…those are legitimate reasons to have a gripe about the cash shop as it is.

It’s pretty unreasonable for those against the cash shop to call people who do purchase off the cash shop as “idiots” or “whales”, Kaiva. It’s also unreasonable for them to attempt to dictate or question what others do with their personal disposable income. It’s also mildly unreasonable for them to assume that these items would suddenly be cheaper than any of the prior items released just like it. As I said before, the precedent for the price tag has been set.

If calling someone an idiot for spending their money how they see fit is not an unreasonable comment, then I don’t know what is. Don’t devolve into name-calling, and maybe people won’t sit here and dismiss your points, or call you unreasonable. Not reverting to exaggerations and hyperbole also helps.

As for the toxicity surrounding this thread, that has been the case for almost every single Mogstation item added since the Lightning/Snow Attire was added in March 2016. It’s not really anything new. I’m more surprised when something is put on the cash shop and people aren’t creating a billion threads complaining about it.

[Sigma-Astra]

I get that people are unhappy – but ranting and raving over every little thing is not going to help anything. Some things that have been said, not only in this thread, I have agreed with. Some things I have not agreed with. But literally every single thing since Eureka has been pretty much argued to death, and its getting wearisome because the general discussions are starting to become an overall negative place.
Just some food for thought.

This is a really excellent post and kind of plays into my feelings when I first made that topic, like, seriously...everything has seemed so volatile as of lately no matter the topic.

[Melichoir]

Never understood the ire behidn cash shops. As long as it doesnt sell you power (thus becoming p2w), Ive never seen a problem with it. Youre not being 'deprived' content. You bought the content, this is extras.

Consider This:

I am a baker, I bake a pumpkin pie, and I put that pie on sale. Now I also, as a baker, can decorate taht pie with extras should people WANT extras, or I can sell them whipped cream to go wtih the pie if they want it. The pie itself is not half done. Its a fully baked pie, ready to serve, delicious to eat. The stuff you can buy to go on it is purely personal preference, and I offer customers those garnishes for them IF they want it. Im not promising a pie with Garnishes, and then taking the garnishes off and charging. Im charging specifically for a delicious pumpkin pie. If you want toppings, you can choose to add them.

That Model is exactly what SE is currently doing. They have SOLD YOU a complete gaming experience per the xpacs. You get access to exactly the product theyre giving you. Theyre not leaving features out. Theyre selling you additional 'features' on the side SHOULD you want them. There is nothign being 'stolen' from you. Youre not being charged for content that you were guaranteed. If the price point of those extras is to much, then dont buy and campaign other players not to buy as well. If the demand drops hard, they will reduce pricing till demand goes back up. Thats how basic market forces work.

You would have a case of being cheated IF they promised you, as an example, All mounts in the game would be free, but then turned around and said "Heres the special mount thats not available in game! you have to buy it!" That would be cheating you. Because the product you purchased PROMISED that.

Best of my knowledge, theyve never promised anyone that all glamours/mounts can be obtained in game. They promised you lore and content thats game related. Glamours/mounts/bardings are not core to the game. Theyre fun side aspects. And before someone gets cute about the App, thats another argument about whether theyre intentionally holding optional (but potentially big QoL) features for side payments rather than implement them into the game.

[Wilford111]

About the comments on toxicity and name-calling, I have to apologize. I never meant to insult anyone and I'm sorry for acting so immature.

The whole topic doesn't really matter too much to me anyway. I still see value in my sub money, even without the items from the mogshop. My opinion on the matter hasn't changed but I could have conducted myself a lot better. It's just really easy to get riled up on the forums especially, for some reason.

[Tiraelina]

Yea, but is it really worth getting yourself all stressed out about something so trivial? You're basically getting yourself (and I'm not meaning you, just a general you) angry over what other people do with their disposable income. The question is, are you getting angry over the items in question because you want them yourself and just either can't afford them and other people can? Or, are you getting angry because you don't want anything at all and feel that because there's no value in it for you that they don't need to exist period for anyone?

I don't really 100% agree with the cash shop either, but I have spent money here and there sparingly over the course of 5 years on items. In total I've only bought 4 things: (Starseeker Bow (Missed the event), the Eastern Lady Togi, the Fuma Kimono, and the blue Carby mount). And that's whenever I had the extra funds to do so and that was my business alone, most of them were just little things to brighten my day if I had a bad day at work or just a crappy month in general.

You can't really put a price on other people's happiness and what they find that has meaning or value to them. And I guarantee if you were to walk up to someone and say "Hey! I see that you're going to spend $24 on that mount in the cash shop. Don't do it."....they're probably going to look at you sideways and question why your opinion has any weight on their own wallet.

I don't know, maybe I'm at that point in age where what I do with my wallet is my business and if someone tries to tell me otherwise, well....unless they're going to offer to pay my sub or utility bills for me, then they can have a foot in the door about what I do with the money.

I certainly don't find it trivial. It's really no secret that majority of the games now have their hand out after you buy it, even while paying a sub. I try to branch out into majority of the aspects of a game if I'm going to invest time into it. I grew up playing games that you got what you paid for, the current state of things is really whats driving me in game development.

I don't mind things like expansions, actual expansions, not DLC being passed off as one. I do mind cash shops in games that aren't free that want two cakes for the price of one. They don't even try to price it sensibly, it's like Steam doesn't exist. I refuse to give any extra money to these kind. I know how much these items cost to produce, highway robbery never had a closer home.

It's really not a question of being able to buy things. I've spent over $200 in Warframe alone, I could've traded for majority of that for free. I wouldn't be surprised if it was similar or higher in PlanetSide 2 until the game was no longer enjoyable. They were both also free, that is 100% what they are. I enjoyed Warframe and still do with my friend regularly.

This stuff also doesn't come for free, and I mean that in that it does take something away from the game. Things that could've been a goal to work towards for example. The golden excuse was that the money would go back into the game, that thing that has never happened. You just find business floating ever greater amounts of money and the talking heads spewing more excuses whining its too expensive to improve things. It's not so much about telling other people how to spend their money (unless it involves the bots/RMT, theres a special place for you!) and more telling business to cut this crap out. The enablers ruining a hobby.

I'm against these practices in principal and that's never going to change. You won't find me complaining about things like Fate/GO because they aren't trying to act like they aren't doing what they are. I'm still going to think people that spend thousands on them are insane though. I do find the in-game "bonuses" with physical goods like statues just as bad.

[Sakuraluna]

In all honesty, the pricing doesn't seem that much different from similar item releases in the past. They aren't really testing any waters here. Could be that after that app announcement, they decided to play it a bit safe with the cash shop this time around.