Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[Laerad3993]

Is it that the bots only control a small part of the marketboard or is it that you're only interested in a small part of the marketboard and the bots aren't there?

I also have absolutely no symphathy if the eastern cherry tree market implodes for any reason.

They also control none of the housing market, they don’t control any allied seal fruits, they control none of the minion market, want me to keep listing? Or are you one of those people that considers mining and shards to be the blood and soul of this games economy lmao.

[XenoCranel]

They also control none of the housing market, they don’t control any allied seal fruits, they control none of the minion market, want me to keep listing? Or are you one of those people that considers mining and shards to be the blood and soul of this games economy lmao.

Keep listing because all the mats you use to craft a majority of the items on the MB have bot influence one way or another.

[Laerad3993]

Keep listing because all the mats you use to craft a majority of the items on the MB have bot influence one way or another.

Why would I bother with less lucrative means of aquiring gil? Do they also control my 8 airships and 8 submarines in my FCs? Are people that reliant on grinding materials that they don’t see you can do your weekly Arr hunts and make 4m a week doing nothing. Oh wait you’re on cactuar. Not Behemoth, so I guess everything you’re saying here doesn’t matter as you aren’t on my server.

[aesteval]

They also control none of the housing market, they don’t control any allied seal fruits, they control none of the minion market, want me to keep listing? Or are you one of those people that considers mining and shards to be the blood and soul of this games economy lmao.

*thinks* Ok, if I were to be lodging my own personal complaint, it would be what they do to the markets they enter vs how widespread at any given time.

[Shouko]

Anyone thinking this is P2W go check out a game called Entropia Universe, that's the literal definition of P2W.

Also check out this article and if you've never heard of this story.

https://singularityhub.com/2010/11/2...000-wtf-video/

[Vstarstruck]

"Precious game"? Yeah, okay, moving on to the rest of what you posted.
I have a very different definition of P2W. I play P2W games (gatchas mainly)...this does not fit my definition. I take issue with your definition because I don't agree with it. Doesn't make you any less valid, just that I have a very different viewpoint on it. I'm not applying my view of P2W differently - that's just how I personally view it. Again, I don't agree because to me, it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage. Anybody who knows how to play the market and isn't on a server filled with too many bots or severe undercutting can do incredibly well in the market, and this app may not change that. Insofar as the unlimited microtransaction, that is information I was not fully aware of until you mentioned it, and I did research on it myself. I still haven't found text on it, but for the sake of not centering an argument over that, let's just say you are correct in that matter and we'll leave it at that.

And to be honest, you have no idea what my interests are in FFXIV outside of what I do choose to post here in the forums. All you know about what I post here is combat related. Doesn't mean I don't do anything or have other interests when I am in-game. I'll end this by saying, personally, I feel your definition of P2W is wrong. If you disagree, fine. I don't view the market as being something you can actually win. I view things like raiding as something that could give a player a significant edge. Again, just my personal opinion on the matter.

I used your own logic to apply that to the MB, so if you think retainers are not P2W then you do not think stat potion boosts are P2W. you said I was twisting the meaning of PtW now you say it is your personal option just because you play gatchas, that is called moving the goal posts. Read this part and try again?:

Why is this pay to win? You can buy this, use it and sit in shiro going where is my win. You have to enter content. After entering this content you have to do rotation. So buying a stat potion is not a win, you can't just push 1,1,11,1,1,1,1, with the bonus and hope to clear dps check, you still have to be interactive in the game to make full use of it. This is the same with PtW though retainers, you are buying an advantage. You still have to work and know what to sell to take full advantage of the advantage, but it is still an advantage paid with real money. Retainers and the app is P2W, it is not an exaggeration, it is not a false representation of the word, you just want to be selective in how to apply P2W.

You flat out addmited by your own logic SE made the MB pay to win. The only one that is wrong here is you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moving_the_goalposts

What do you mean you can't find it? it is all over the place

It's a misinterpretation of the slides.

In the slides they said searching the market and putting items for sale is both free and premium



BUT the next slides reveal how exactly that work, you can't sell or buy items in the market unless you use the new cash currency.

It's labeled as free because:



You get "kupo nuts" from daily login, I imagine 1 kupo nut = you can do 1 purchase/sale in the market every day, for premium it's 2 transactions per day.

Then they introduce an additional currency you can pay real money for which allows you to buy/sell items with no limit at an additional cost



In conclusion: they walled the entire market function behind a microtransaction (moogle coins) and you get 1 free coin per day (2 if premium)

they are making the MB more pay to win, each time they add a retainer and with this microtranction bs, don't be blind

Anyone thinking this is P2W go check out a game called Entropia Universe, that's the literal definition of P2W.

Also check out this article and if you've never heard of this story.

https://singularityhub.com/2010/11/2...000-wtf-video/

Being worse does not change the fact SE is putting pay to win in this game
(also that is not "pay to win" because there is no combat progress, where are the world first clears? or.. savage mounts? See how I can use your logic on something else and claim it is not pay to win?)

I would say that the advantage you buy in XIV is far less extreme than in other games, but you are still buying an advantage over people. To me, this is what P2W would entail.

[JackHatchet]

Gil would not crash the cherry tree market, because you can already buy the cherry tree off the mog station.

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Bots influence -everything- even if they don't farm cherry trees, their gil goes into buying them and marking them up. And Square-Enix makes zero attempt to curb this. 64 people banned last month? Check the numbers on the botting forums. There's over 200,000 active accounts.

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If Gil is pay to win then anything that allows you to make more gil above another player is pay to win (like retainers). You can make a lot more money selling 10 retainer's worth of market slots compared to the default 40.

[Laerad3993]

Gil would not crash the cherry tree market, because you can already buy the cherry tree off the mog station.

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Bots influence -everything- even if they don't farm cherry trees, their gil goes into buying them and marking them up. And Square-Enix makes zero attempt to curb this. 64 people banned last month? Check the numbers on the botting forums. There's over 200,000 active accounts.

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If Gil is pay to win then anything that allows you to make more gil above another player is pay to win (like retainers). You can make a lot more money selling 10 retainer's worth of market slots compared to the default 40.

Influence yes. They do not CONTROL everything. My lord these forums you just can’t win. Against legalized RMT? Attacked BECUZ BOTS! For RMT? You’re the problem. There is literally no appeasing anyone here.

[JackHatchet]

Square-Enix is clearly going in a very specific direction.

And you know what? Maybe that's ok.

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There's a reason why half the game is locked behind mendacity or MGP, or Pazuzu feathers. It's because those things require you to play to get them. You want the best of the best? You have to play the game and buy those items with some side currency that's not gil. So why not make gil more accessible? It's not like you can convert gil into MGP or Tomestones, or even Sigmascape cranks.

[XenoCranel]

Gil would not crash the cherry tree market, because you can already buy the cherry tree off the mog station.

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Bots influence -everything- even if they don't farm cherry trees, their gil goes into buying them and marking them up. And Square-Enix makes zero attempt to curb this. 64 people banned last month? Check the numbers on the botting forums. There's over 200,000 active accounts.

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If Gil is pay to win then anything that allows you to make more gil above another player is pay to win (like retainers). You can make a lot more money selling 10 retainer's worth of market slots compared to the default 40.

I like you. The app won't stop botters from purchasing the premium features. More so, the widely known MB controllers that have 2 or more accounts. Why would they not use it when they have more subs than the general population?