Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[Vstarstruck]

Yet you are defending the very thread, in spite of how many of us are pointing out how bad the idea is in the first place. Mocking or not, the fact that you have been lighting up the forums by claiming that it is pay to win is incorrect. You shouldn't twist a definition of pay to win to fit your arguments, neither should the other posters who seem to share a similar belief. There is no gameplay advantage in this. Some posters have brought in jump potions...but that isn't pay to win, because you still have 10 levels to grind, plus you still need to pick up the gear to even get into endgame - you still have to put in work. Pay to win outright gives you gameplay advantages the moment you make a RL purchase. Say, additional attack or defense, or higher GCD speed, or something of that nature. Despite repeated arguments, crafted gear does not give you an outright advantage either, because for one, you actually have to know what you are doing in the content where crafted gear would even be noticably beneficial, which is endgame raiding.

Retainers and more so this app is P2W, you just do not want to admit your precious game is not PTW. How can I show this? the fact your own logic can prove buying retainers and again more so this app is P2W.

" Pay to win outright gives you gameplay advantages the moment you make a RL purchase. Say, additional attack or defense, or higher GCD speed, or something of that nature."

Why is this pay to win? You can buy this, use it and sit in shiro going where is my win. You have to enter content. After entering this content you have to do rotation. So buying a stat potion is not a win, you can't just push 1,1,11,1,1,1,1, with the bonus and hope to clear dps check, you still have to be interactive in the game to make full use of it. This is the same with PtW though retainers, you are buying an advantage. You still have to work and know what to sell to take full advantage of the advantage, but it is still an advantage paid with real money. Retainers and the app is P2W, it is not an exaggeration, it is not a false representation of the word, you just want to be selective in how to apply P2W

So basically what you're suggesting is that players will get an advantage on the market board for Moogle coins....

...except, I believe it was said that the free version only allows you 1 market action whereas the premium allows 2 market actions, and these are per day. Unless information changes somehow. This is not a game changer for the market board. Perhaps with alt accounts with 8-9 retainers each, and that'll probably happen, but I'm still not seeing the point that you are trying to make.

Maybe you should at least try to know what is going on? there is a microtransation that YOU PAY MONEY FOR, for unlimited changes. This is why the app really crosses the line with the P2W situation with MB and gil making.

Just because all you care about is combat, does not change the fact retainers and the proposed app is P2W.

Yes I am supporting this thread so it gets people to think about what is really going on, not just take the blue pill and remain in their wonderland.

I would say that the advantage you buy in XIV is far less extreme than in other games, but you are still buying an advantage over people. To me, this is what P2W would entail.

It is less extreme yes, but it still does not change it is pay to win (thus your point) so +1 to you.