Quote Originally Posted by Zojha View Post
Why would beating an entirely optional piece of content be "Winning"?

Or differently put, if beating Savage easer was "Winning", wouldn't getting a higher score in the Fashion Report be as well? Both are optional pieces of content. Both can be beaten without paying. Both are non-competitive, as beating it has no impact on other players trying it.

If getting a paid advantage in Savage was "Pay to Win", therefore the dyes they sell would also be "Pay to Win", as those frequently give an advantage in the Fashion report.

And while that may sound absurd, it's a consequence of people not giving a clear definition of P2W and relying on examples and nebulous implied definitions that often contain double standards to boot. It's why I find the entire P2W debate both funny and pointless.
Did you know that playing FFXIV is optional too? By buying FFXIV you are paying to win in FFXIV.