Please let us buy gil since it's not pay to win.

[MilanFrozen]

I see 'pay-to-win' as being able to 'pay-to-win'. Like pressing a button and bein given something you typically might have to work towards in some way. P2W has long since been pushed back in definition by many just to mean 'gaining a competetive advantage over others' but really that could be considered a side effect of something that might seem benign, but really is paying to win.

If you allow buying gil then you are absolutely making your game pay to win.

My example: I recently came back to the game after being away for a few months (I wanted a peek at Eureka). Deciding I didn't like Eureka, I went to go get geared and see about end game raiding. I asked what the fastest way to gear was and many suggested buying gear off the marketboard, but holy crap those prices. I could not afford to buy that gear.

Now if I could buy gil from SE through 'any' means (token subs as an example), then I could absolutely pay my way to victory.

And while many will justify this as 'pay to not grind', that is sort of an irrelevant term since by paying real money I could essentially be considered to have sat down and pressed an 'I win' button a number of times until I had sufficient gil.

And again, many will say this is not 'pay-to-win', but this is an MMO where the game is a non-literal theme park. Being able to pay real money to skip a step gives you an advantage.

Now I have no idea if OP is serious, stirring the pot or being facetious, but this would destroy the game. I'm leaning towards stirring the pot since I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.

[Wrothgar77]

I would 100% support wows system here. Let us purchase tokens for a month of sub, or crystal, or whatever and let us sell them on the mb.

[Okamimaru]

You want to see pay to win in action? Go look at Ragnarok online... the BiS gears and upgrade items are all from loot boxes which are all rng... that games endgame is all about competition (pvp, guild wars, even rare huntlike monsters)... if you don't pay 2 win you simply don't win... I've known players to spend hundreds to be geared for endgame... if SE IS really going P2W they are doing a terrible job at it....

[Tridus]

With all the other stuff they're doing, it frankly baffles me that a WoW token style system isn't in place here. That doesn't even create gil, it just lets it move around and brings the already existing RMT out into the open (and lets SE take a cut).

[Laerad3993]

I’d rather the MB economy not take a nosedive. As much as I’d love a lot of my older event items from 2014/2015 to be bought at what I have them listed for, I don’t want this at all. If they ever do choose to go that route of legitimizing the purchase and selling of gil, I hope they do like some other games have and rework the entirety of the MB so that prices are fixed in gaps and don’t plummet day 1.

[KaivaC]

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"Precious game"? Yeah, okay, moving on to the rest of what you posted.
I have a very different definition of P2W. I play P2W games (gatchas mainly)...this does not fit my definition. I take issue with your definition because I don't agree with it. Doesn't make you any less valid, just that I have a very different viewpoint on it. I'm not applying my view of P2W differently - that's just how I personally view it. Again, I don't agree because to me, it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage. Anybody who knows how to play the market and isn't on a server filled with too many bots or severe undercutting can do incredibly well in the market, and this app may not change that. Insofar as the unlimited microtransaction, that is information I was not fully aware of until you mentioned it, and I did research on it myself. I still haven't found text on it, but for the sake of not centering an argument over that, let's just say you are correct in that matter and we'll leave it at that.

And to be honest, you have no idea what my interests are in FFXIV outside of what I do choose to post here in the forums. All you know about what I post here is combat related. Doesn't mean I don't do anything or have other interests when I am in-game. I'll end this by saying, personally, I feel your definition of P2W is wrong. If you disagree, fine. I don't view the market as being something you can actually win. I view things like raiding as something that could give a player a significant edge. Again, just my personal opinion on the matter.

[XenoCranel]

I’d rather the MB economy not take a nosedive. As much as I’d love a lot of my older event items from 2014/2015 to be bought at what I have them listed for, I don’t want this at all. If they ever do choose to go that route of legitimizing the purchase and selling of gil, I hope they do like some other games have and rework the entirety of the MB so that prices are fixed in gaps and don’t plummet day 1.

MB is already gutted with bots.

[Laerad3993]

MB is already gutted with bots.

Irrelevant as they only control a very small portion of the market. They don’t control eastern cherry trees, or bardings, or anything else I profit from.

[XenoCranel]

Irrelevant as they only control a very small portion of the market. They don’t control eastern cherry trees, or bardings, or anything else I profit from.

I beg to differ if you only nitpick the mb and look at only your niche.

[aesteval]

Irrelevant as they only control a very small portion of the market. They don’t control eastern cherry trees, or bardings, or anything else I profit from.

Is it that the bots only control a small part of the marketboard or is it that you're only interested in a small part of the marketboard and the bots aren't there?

I also have absolutely no symphathy if the eastern cherry tree market implodes for any reason.