Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Vstarstruck]

Good luck proving someone intentionally did that and not just had bad connection. They could DC at random just to better the performance, and then watch the one report that would get through would be of a legit first timer who really did have connectivity issues. They won't do it for those reasons, meaning the 'workaround' is kind of bullet-proof.



I can't fault them for initially introducing that all that much because no one's infallible and everyone makes mistakes. The problem is that they insist on keeping what they continuously admit to be bad design in the game instead of removing it outright by any number of means. Instead, enjoy this glamour system that eats your gear.

yeah i think it is neat they have those dungeons with that kind of feel. The problem arises when you are trying to influence people to do it over and over again. I honestly think the number of people caring about CS and feeling "cheated" out, is very few, compared to people that are running it over and over again PLUS new people that do not care for the CS. BOTH SE and people defending ths keep negecting there are new players that hate being forced to watch the CS or care for the story in general, some want to play the game just to play it. You can't force pleasing one personality.

Why didn't they just put that warning I keep suggesting? the same warning that appears for anything with a long CS? and introduce the PF and really suggest people make their own group of they are the type that likes to take their time with this kind of thing? This force unskippable CS change is miindbogggling and confusing to me why they would do this suddenly and now, neglecting there are new people who don't want to watch them.

As for the bullet proof thing ya I was trying to explain that too, it is more of a "loophole" then a "bug" that you really can't do anything about.

gl to those that want SE to hear this is a bs change, i do not have much longer in regards having access to the forums.

[Raiya]

It is called a loophole and you can't punish people for d/cing

Of course not. It would not only be ridiculously self defeating but would also trigger a significant backlash as well. You cant fix a bad design by making it worse forcing people to watch the same thing over and over and over.

[Mizunoko]

I don't think it's a big deal since there are so many other sources of exp and tomes in the game now.

Regardless of all the different sources, if it was not a big deal there would not be a thread this large with so many sympathizers with the OP. The sample size of sympathizers here i would say represents the majority of the player base. It's rare to have a thread this large with so many people leaning to one side of the argument. Give it a month or three and i'm sure you will see some sort of patch notes apologizing for and/or fixing the new and blatant much larger problem SE created with this unskippable cutscene thing they tried.

[Mizunoko]

Second if they were to theoretically ban or temp ban people for dcing to cancel the CS it would potentially be like throwing petrol on a smouldering fire and the bad publicity would bite them pretty hard.

I more than agree, also you have to think about the obvious on this.......if SE banned ppl for that....innocent people would also be getting banned for doing nothing wrong as some people legitimately dc sometimes and not on purpose, and there is no way for SE to tell who purposely dc's and who legitimately lost connection. The day SE starts banning people for using this method to skip cutscenes would very obviously be the day they take their stupidity too far and drive their game 6 feet in the ground.

[Krotoan]

Regardless of all the different sources, if it was not a big deal there would not be a thread this large with so many sympathizers with the OP. The sample size of sympathizers here i would say represents the majority of the player base. It's rare to have a thread this large with so many people leaning to one side of the argument. Give it a month or three and i'm sure you will see some sort of patch notes apologizing for and/or fixing the new and blatant much larger problem SE created with this unskippable cutscene thing they tried.

The majority of players have completed this run. Yes. The majority of the playerbase is past this quest and only runs it for XP or alts.
The majority of posters in this thread are complaining about a change that was not meant to please them and affects them very little in the overall scope of the game.
You'd say this represents a majority of the playerbase? Truly its a large piece of active General Discussion forum posters, but we are by far a TINY vocal minority. A sample of the people who bother to login to the forums to contribute/whine/comment does not represent a good division of the playerbase.

[Jijifli]

The majority of players have completed this run. Yes. The majority of the playerbase is past this quest and only runs it for XP or alts.
The majority of posters in this thread are complaining about a change that was not meant to please them and affects them very little in the overall scope of the game.
You'd say this represents a majority of the playerbase? Truly its a large piece of active General Discussion forum posters, but we are by far a TINY vocal minority. A sample of the people who bother to login to the forums to contribute/whine/comment does not represent a good division of the playerbase.

I guess poking right back, yes the forums are the tiny minority, so why was the posts from "new players" here taken to force this change? Clearly we aren't enough of a sample based on the statement that it "barely effects us." Why were they?

I mean, if in game statistics are a thing, I've seen more ninja's use Shadewalker to try and force wipes or force larger pulls than I've seen anyone upset they fell behind. Yet you still can't remove Shadewalker's effect. Both ruin a player's experience. Yet players skipping cutscenes was deemed a far worse issue.

[Krotoan]

I guess poking right back, yes the forums are the tiny minority, so why was the posts from "new players" here taken to force this change? Clearly we aren't enough of a sample based on the statement that it "barely effects us." Why were they?

I mean, if in game statistics are a thing, I've seen more ninja's use Shadewalker to try and force wipes or force larger pulls than I've seen anyone upset they fell behind. Yet you still can't remove Shadewalker's effect. Both ruin a player's experience. Yet players skipping cutscenes was deemed a far worse issue.

I'm not going to pretend to be privy to some unknown metric, but I'm going to guess the decision was probably made from a combination of feedback on the forum, ingame reports and statistics , and social media feedback. I'm saying "the majority of the forums say this so it must represent the majority of the players" is not a very strong possibility.

Personal experience isn't really a valid measure of anyone's experience other than your own either. I'll argue I've never seen the problems others have with "one button DPS" but people seem to have a problem with this so it must happen.

[Mizunoko]

The majority of posters in this thread are complaining about a change that was not meant to please them and affects them very little in the overall scope of the game.

First: No one ever said the change was meant to please us and whether it was or not does not invalidate everyones opinions, and by trying to paint a picture that we are the babies and you are the adults simply because you don't agree with us is obviously being biased and kiddish.

Second: We all pay monthly to play this game so what you call whining is only you trying to act high and mighty, as customers and subscribers every persons voice matters and has the right to critique the games quality. Not one person in this thread whined, what i see is people voicing there opinions on something that matters to them simple as that. Calling it whining only makes yourself look more immature and biased. The least you could try to do is act mature and voice your opinion with a less biased no matter what outlook aka white knighting. All your doing by saying what you have said is aligning yourself with all the white knights who come to SE's back over everything.

Lastly: If your going to come up with a counter argument at least think of something with more logic. I mean whether you agree with us or not, whether SE did this change to please us or not. None of that matters because the players have a voice and they have spoken. When it comes down to it a game is not a game without its players, and this threads sample size represents a large portion. It shows a good poll on how unpopular the choice SE made regarding this topic is. I don't have to back my argument up because all i have to do is point at basically 90% of the people in this thread who agree.

[MrSmiley]

The biggest issue is... did this help new players, or hike their queue time up dramatically?

[Ilyrian]

The biggest issue is... did this help new players, or hike their queue time up dramatically?

Yes.
This is what the argument boils down to.
No point continuing this until we get figures back saying this change had a positive effect.
Peronally I haven't been running the MSQ roulette but I do hope generally it has had a positive effect for new players.