Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[LalaRu]

The "nobody will run this roulette again and the queue will go infinite" divination didn't happen, but still some people here complaining and suggesting "solutions" for something that is working as intended. And working great for the new players that wants enjoy the story.

Your ez-mode-roulette is no more. Deal with it.

[MistakeNot]

I'm assuming this is the thread in question:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-was-the-worst

One of the many. There used to pop up a new thread every couple of weeks complaining about Castrum/Praetorium.

[Moomba33]

Haven't read the whole thread but I'd like to comment on an idea I saw floating around before this was implemented that the queues would die and just leave new players and players pulled from Mentor Roulette.
I've been running Mentor Roulette daily since 4.2 dropped as a healer and so far I have only been put into a MS dungeon once. It was CM at Livia and the party said the previous healer had been kicked for afk following someone instead of participating.
No other Mentors were in the party besides me so it looks like enough people are still queuing MS roulette to get the dungeons done so far.

I doubt I'll run MS roulette ever again but to be fair I was already tired of it after years of playing this game and leveling every job. I see it as a viable option for players to run once in a while for a boost of exp or tomes but not worth doing as a daily.
So long as enough people are still doing it to get new players through the story I don't think it's a big deal since there are so many other sources of exp and tomes in the game now.

I do think it's silly that you can't skip scenes when running the dungeons with a pre-made group though.

[Skivvy]

One of the many. There used to pop up a new thread every couple of weeks complaining about Castrum/Praetorium.

I posted quite often in that one Was a good time killer while at work.

[Dualgunner]

The "nobody will run this roulette again and the queue will go infinite" divination didn't happen,

And yet they still have to raise the reward to entice more people to run it. :thonking:

[Vstarstruck]

The "nobody will run this roulette again and the queue will go infinite" divination didn't happen, but still some people here complaining and suggesting "solutions" for something that is working as intended. And working great for the new players that wants enjoy the story.

Your ez-mode-roulette is no more. Deal with it.

>implying watching CS makes it magically harder
>implying there is no way to get around it by disconnecting
>implying the "problem" before 4.2 will not repeat when they make the rewards high enough where people find disconnecting the CS worth it.

Sorry the 4.2 changes does not help anyone. They should taken more smaller steps sooner then babying the player base of 4.2 Only reason you are posting is to be rude to those with an issue with this change, when many such as my self care about the game and speaking out what would be better.

[Raiya]

I mean this was obviously bound to happen. Get 5 players together and queue and just abuse this/zerg rush. How will Square react knowing the roulette is going to just gett abused and new players will still be left behind.

It is safe to say nothing will happen to these players who abuse it.. Just like nothing happened to the wintraders ect.. Will this happen enough times to actually force Square to fix the entire problem or will we see another band-aid?

First of all it has to be said that this bypass as we can call it and its potential for spam farming isnt something like discovering a bug. This was something intentionally done BY SE and intentionally introducing this "feature" which wasnt an issue up to now.

Second if they were to theoretically ban or temp ban people for dcing to cancel the CS it would potentially be like throwing petrol on a smouldering fire and the bad publicity would bite them pretty hard. Lest we forget this whole thread basically shows up the rather devisive and unwanted changes that were made. The fact were here still giving out about this shows its not going away anytime soon.

Third the real problem here has always been Praetorium rather than Castrum (which isnt much longer than before and the CS's arent that annoying there) which is has been admitted as a bad design by SE themselves and has not been been used since because of this. That being said do you really expect players to just simply sit there afk for 5 min multiple times expecially when an obvious way around it is available? The difference can shave 20min off thats SIGNIFICANT and a serious oversight.

The truth is they could just about get away with it with castrum but Praetorium NEEDS to be reworked. They could just remove the roulette entirely and just downscale Castrum to a 4man and dump it into the lvl50 roulette and instance a good chunk of Praetorium and Just turn Ultima into a trial fight but that would require effort and time to do which IMO should have just been done in the first place.

Alternatively all they had to do is just not allow cutscene skipping when someone in the group hasnt completed then duty and up the noobie exp bonus by 5 and tomestones by 10 and it would have been just about acceptable. Forcing people to watch the CS's when everyones already completed it though is just ridiculous.

[Jijifli]

Alternatively all they had to do is just not allow cutscene skipping when someone in the group hasnt completed then duty and up the noobie exp bonus by 5 and tomestones by 10 and it would have been just about acceptable. Forcing people to watch the CS's when everyones already completed it though is just ridiculous.

And as a note, since someone's going to mention again, "THEY'LL JUST KICK THE NEWBIE" Code it so that kicking the newbie doesn't stop the cutscenes. There's much less of a point to that way. If they'd kick after that they're just doing it to do it and it was going to happen regardless.

[Vstarstruck]

First of all it has to be said that this bypass as we can call it and its potential for spam farming isnt something like discovering a bug. This was something intentionally done BY SE and intentionally introducing this "feature" which wasnt an issue up to now.

It is called a loophole and you can't punish people for d/cing

[BillyKaplan]

Second if they were to theoretically ban or temp ban people for dcing to cancel the CS it would potentially be like throwing petrol on a smouldering fire and the bad publicity would bite them pretty hard.

Good luck proving someone intentionally did that and not just had bad connection. They could DC at random just to better the performance, and then watch the one report that would get through would be of a legit first timer who really did have connectivity issues. They won't do it for those reasons, meaning the 'workaround' is kind of bullet-proof.

IMO should have just been done in the first place.

I can't fault them for initially introducing that all that much because no one's infallible and everyone makes mistakes. The problem is that they insist on keeping what they continuously admit to be bad design in the game instead of removing it outright by any number of means. Instead, enjoy this glamour system that eats your gear.