Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Zeldert-Castiel]

I used to think that before the update, I wanted to ask my sister to be a healer with me so that if there's a new player, we can wait for them while watching tanks and DPS died without healer for leaving a newbie behind. So for my unpopular suggestion:

Please only apply the cutscenes when there's a newbie, so the newbies can watch the cutscenes and the experienced players can enjoy the bonus.
If all eight members done it, no cutscenes.

[JaakRoot]

I love how people justify that a majority are complaining about the change with the number of page this thread has. Most of this thread pages are made by 3 people discussing and arguing. As someone who are still in HW and have not unlock many 50+ 60+ dungeon or raid, I did not find any better ratio time/xp than this MSQ roulette for now so I did it pretty much everyday to nearly take a lvl each time I finished the roulette ( 50 min). I now also know when I can go to the kitchen cooking too ( Nero and Gaius ultra long talking haha).

[Anarnee]

I love how people justify that a majority are complaining about the change with the number of page this thread has. Most of this thread pages are made by 3 people discussing and arguing. As someone who are still in HW and have not unlock many 50+ 60+ dungeon or raid, I did not find any better ratio time/xp than this MSQ roulette for now so I did it pretty much everyday to nearly take a lvl each time I finished the roulette ( 50 min). I now also know when I can go to the kitchen cooking too ( Nero and Gaius ultra long talking haha).

I've seen maybe one or two people bring up the number of pages on the thread as a reason and I don't recall any being recent, why even bring that up? But if we are gonna talk about yes, there are a few keeping the conversation strong, and a handful that come and go. This topic also has a lot of views, more than most of the topics that have been brought up since patch. While a lot of the conversations have died off, even the housing threads, though I blame that on those threads being moved to the housing forums and no one bothering with anything other than the general discussion.

XD I'm pretty sure lvling rou gives the same amount of EXP and will usually be less time and not to mention Labyrinth of the Ancients roulette- I mean Alliance Roulette.

[JaakRoot]

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It gives more than leveling roulette for sure. By how much, I am not sure. But it is still the best source of XP I found with the daily roulette bonus for a first character without armory bonus and without all the dungeon unlocked.

I guess I am a different kind of Vets, the vets that are still not lvl 70 with all MSQ done and all raid/dungeon unlocked: Half-vets XD.

[KaivaC]

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A vet of what?! MMOs? That's fair, but a Vet of FFXIV, you are certainly not. Hell, I've been here for 10-11 months, and I don't believe I would be considered a vet. On your main response, I've gotten about 3mil experience for a run on the Praetorium. It is definitely not something I'd run more once a month, if that, because of the cutscenes. On your ratio/time, below level 60, POTD outshines MSQ roulette due to queues (if you are a DPS), but unless it's an alt, the main story will usually give you the most experience per time.

[Alleo]

I love how people justify that a majority are complaining about the change with the number of page this thread has. Most of this thread pages are made by 3 people discussing and arguing. .

There are certainly more than just three people discussing this. Also please dont forget that a lot of people are already playing the game for a longer time, have much more options to chose from and maybe have run those two dungeons a lot too. Its nice that its great for you, but I do kinda question if you will stick with that forever too? Because they need people doing that as long as the game exist because its so vital for the story. Will you be going into this in the future too if there are better options, or if you have your necessary jobs on 70? There will always be new people coming but the question remains if there will be enough that will stick with it for so long or if more will just not do it.

[Aurturia]

With resources being the reason SE doesn't want to give this a more meaningful fix, would it be possible to reduce them down to the cut scenes with a little filler added to tie them together? I've never felt like they were the epic experience they were meant to be so if they really are nothing but a headache at this point why not just scrap them?

[Dualblade]

With resources being the reason SE doesn't want to give this a more meaningful fix, would it be possible to reduce them down to the cut scenes with a little filler added to tie them together? I've never felt like they were the epic experience they were meant to be so if they really are nothing but a headache at this point why not just scrap them?

This is atleast slightly the fault of how much everyone overgears it, level sync is 110 which is WAY too much for dungeons ment for people to be able to reasonably run around i50. It certainly felt more epic when gear levels were closer to that, atleast when I ran it way back when. Though certainly I would love them to take some time to look into change some thing (like making them atleast 4 player dungeons instead) this currently seems like an okay band-aid.

[ShanXiv]

We all know that newbies who want to watch story cutscenes in the castrums have been struggling a long time, usually being answered with "just rewatch it at the inn/ on youtube." I myself have experienced this, and a majority of current players also probably have. But...

Making the cut scenes unskippable, and then locking what will be more than likely a sizable reward behind it is not the answer. Additionally, even though they may no longer be skippable, the bosses will still be burned down in a matter of moments because of the high ilevel sync, leaving the new player with a feeling of lack of accomplishment and defeating the point of this change.

My suggestion is to just remove it from duty roulette entirely and change it into a personal instance, allowing the player better interaction with the duty. Or, you know, just revert it back.

I'm sure people also have plenty of other solutions and ideas which should be posted, but I think we can all agree that changing the cut scenes to be unskippable is not the answer. All this will do is drastically increase the queue times for those dungeons and make it harder for new players to get in and progress to other parts of the game(and the queue times for those dungeons can already be quite long).

Edit: I want to point out this suggestion I've been seen being made in a few places; It might be possible to implement a "skip cutscene" vote, based on a majority victory, which will allow players to skip cutscenes.; Those who want to watch still can, but for those that don't can charge ahead.

Second Edit

Back to the topic, now you know how SE treats their old XIV players...
Yoshida may know the current theme park formula has a very short life cycle,
got bored of it? ok maybe you should take a break? or, bye? here we get another new customer, welcome!....

[Xandos]

While i definitely didn't read all 90+ pages I feel like I got the idea of the thread I'll toss in my own anecdotal evidence and thoughts.

I played 1.0 when it launched and then quite for a long time before coming back to 2.0 after HW had launched. When I finally got to these two dungeons they had already been around for a long time. Up till that point I had happily watched all the cutscenes and read most of the dialogs that came up through the MSQ. When I queued for the first dungeon and was met with all of the speed runners and scene skippers I did not like it. Being that I played a healer I felt it was necessary for me to skip the scenes and keep up with the group. I really had no idea what was going on in the run. People were mass pulling everything, ignoring mechanics, and standing in AoE. It was just a mess.

The next dungeon was even worse. People skipped all sorts of mobs in front of transporters, didn't wait for others to get on elevators, and again ignored mechanics. I was expecting some of this due to my last run but it was still very frustrating. After that run was over I went to an inn and watched all of the scenes. Watching them in the inn was not nearly as enjoyable as seeing them in person and in context but it got the job done.

Fast forward to when I hit 60 and started running the MSQ daily and I found my self resorting to the same things that I disliked. I skip cutscenes, ignore mechanics, and sometimes stand in AoE. I do at least wait for people to get on elevators and help explain things if someone asks a question.

With the recent change to the MSQ Roulette I won't say that I will never run it again, but I will say that it will be at the bottom of my list of priorities. Having to take that long to complete a run I have done hundreds of times before is not my idea of fun. Having fun is the reason why I play this game. I really do hope they come up with a better solution soon.