Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Skivvy]

Labryinth of the Mechanics are for Cars? Haven’t had a wipe in there since mid-HW. Hell the Atomos trash has been more responsible for wipes than any of the bosses in my experience.

I love the alliance roulette, and I get Labyrinth A LOT. There are full-alliance wipes fairly often :X It's one of those places that you absolutely-should-not-wipe as we are vastly overgeared, and the fights are seared into memories - but people get lazy. The alliance chat after a wipe is always good fun.

[Kazgrel]

I love the alliance roulette, and I get Labyrinth A LOT. There are full-alliance wipes fairly often :X It's one of those places that you absolutely-should-not-wipe as we are vastly overgeared, and the fights are seared into memories - but people get lazy. The alliance chat after a wipe is always good fun.

I’m lucky then. Since 4.0 I’ve had one wipe each on first and last boss of WoD and that’s been it from the ARR alliance raids as far as wipes go. LotA and ST have been absolute faceroll, with the former being especially so since they changed it to only require 3 tanks.

Back to the actual topic: I still haven’t touched MS roulette since the patch. I end up having to go out of my way to piss away the poetics I get from other roulettes + hunts.

[Skivvy]

Back to the actual topic: I still haven’t touched MS roulette since the patch. I end up having to go out of my way to piss away the poetics I get from other roulettes + hunts.

I ended up doing MSQ about 5 times since the change. I came to the conclusion that I'm done with it. :X About half the queues were with a tank friend - so I had some fast, some slow queue times (was leveling BLM).

While I can definitely appreciate a slow/easy run (this is why I love me some Alliance!), I just can't hang with MSQ roulette anymore. The last time I ran, there was a sprout tank who started cussing at the group over one of the "standard" Prae pulls. lol. In my mind, it was just the moment of "I'm already stuck watching these damn CSs for sprouts, and now we're getting cussed at by one, I'm DONE!". (It was an emotional response vs. logical one - I really don't blame sprouts for the change at all.)

I think I gave it a decent shot. :X Unless they add the newest tomes or bump up the XP gain even more, I don't think I'll be running it again for my own needs.

[Anarnee]

There is currently a post on reddit of some people that have mapped out the longest scenes in Prae, and made a map of all the scenes to show how to shave off 20 mins of a run using the DC method.

Now. They encourage people to only do it in the case that the full party is past msq. But who wants to bet people are going to be using this method and still leaving newbies behind?

Either way. SE. Why do we have to find ways to brake your game for you to make worthwhile changes to it.

After admitting the failure of these two dungeons, nothing is done, except for inconvenience a good percentage of the player base that was causing no issue, and take away any choice we had in how we wish to progress the story at this part of the game...

I'm not disappointed in the player base, I'm disappointed in SE, and I hope these dungeons continue to inconvenience them until they stop the lazy approach.

Revert the changes, or make some actual quality changes to Prae and CM.

Especially if we wanna do them unsynced or in premade groups :/

[Jxnibbles]

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You already know when they increase the rewards people will start dcing more often. Get in a party of 5 dc during certain cutscenes to save 20 minutes and again new players will still be left behind and you can't kick the premade. The problem won't be solved by increasing rewards.

I really want to see what they do after they increase the rewards, I am almost certain the roulette will see a few more changes. I am curious to see how Square will react once they start noticing this behaviour with premades.

[Anarnee]

You already know when they increase the rewards people will start dcing more often. Get in a party of 5 dc during certain cutscenes to save 20 minutes and again new players will still be left behind and you can't kick the premade. The problem won't be solved by increasing rewards.

I really want to see what they do after they increase the rewards, I am almost certain the roulette will see a few more changes. I am curious to see how Square will react once they start noticing this behaviour with premades.

Exactly! They have already said the rewards will be increased, and you know, the more worthwhile it is, the more it will encourage this behavior.

I bet SE will be like "Oh look more people are running the roulette, our statitics show it."

All the while, people will be right back here again whining about newbies getting left behind again.

[Vstarstruck]

Exactly! They have already said the rewards will be increased, and you know, the more worthwhile it is, the more it will encourage this behavior.I bet SE will be like "Oh look more people are running the roulette, our statitics show it."

All the while, people will be right back here again whining about newbies getting left behind again.

I am laughing now, SE is going to try all these changes to force CS viewing only to wind up at the same problems.. (this is how you define irony)
They really needed make a small change back in 2.0 or even hw, or even 4.2 if they feel the change was suddenly needed, of a smaller step, giving a warning about having long CS like any other duty (be it solo or w/e)and tha it may be best to form your own group with friends iff you want to enjoy the story better.

All we needed was to test the waters with a pop up warning as you queue for the DF, Not this forcing CS on people only to lead to bigger problems by using a d/c method to get around things.

[Mizunoko]

I am disappointed in SE A LOT lately myself, I will admit this is an amazing game and i love each expansion greatly, however there is no reason that the players should have to backlash SE to get them to do their job and give us quality we PAY FOR MONTHLY. There are great suggestions coming to SE every day but the communication is junk on SE's part because half the time they listen its only after there is a huge backlash from the players about a really stupid decision SE made. Some of these things are common sense too so it amazes me how SE can screw up so badly sometimes. Then there is always the typical white knights that jump to save SE for everything SE does wrong. We pay to play this game we have a right to criticize the dev team and such. Every time SE apologizes for something they could have avoided it in the first place if they just listened to their common sense and the communities input ahead of time. A lot of the mistakes SE takes backlash for are so obvious. Lately i have been considering quitting myself with TERA coming to ps4 and free to play games getting more and more popular every year...i just don't see the point paying for a sub for a game where feedback is almost useless. Some FTP games may have bad communication as well but at least you don't have to pay for that part of it. Well anyway i have about 90 more days of sub left i guess i will use it up and see how things play out first. Lets just hope next time a huge backlash happens instead of another blank apology like always they will use that time to take action and change themselves for the better and not just SAY they will and not act upon it. Yes i know i sound very heated and enraged right now.....but ask yourself. Is it not warranted at this point for people to be ranting. I feel like its warranted.

[RokkuEkkusu]

If SE is going to keep up with the unskippable cutscenes, aside from bringing up the typical roulette rewards (gil, tomes, exp), they should also make each successful Main Scenario Roulette run count for the SB tank mounts whether it's daily bonus or adventurer in need.

[Tridus]

Now. They encourage people to only do it in the case that the full party is past msq. But who wants to bet people are going to be using this method and still leaving newbies behind?

Boy, players sure do have a hard time understanding the concept of "go run something else if you don't like how long this takes", don't they? It's like dealing with a bunch of children.

Either way. SE. Why do we have to find ways to brake your game for you to make worthwhile changes to it.

It was already broken for newbies. Now it's not. Everyone else has a large number of other options.

After admitting the failure of these two dungeons, nothing is done, except for inconvenience a good percentage of the player base that was causing no issue, and take away any choice we had in how we wish to progress the story at this part of the game...

Do you even know what the problem was? A "good percentage" were in fact causing the issue by putting their own desire to run it fast over new players. SE's made it pretty clear: if you don't want to let people watch the cutscenes, do not do this roulette.

I don't see what is so hard about that, but now we have players trying to find newer and more creative ways to cause problems again.

I'm not disappointed in the player base, I'm disappointed in SE, and I hope these dungeons continue to inconvenience them until they stop the lazy approach.

You're not disappointed in a player base that advocates disconnecting to screw newbies over more reliably? Really?

I tell ya, some of the absurdly hyperbolic player reactions to this have turned me against them. This was nowhere near the best way to fix the problem. But seriously, people. You sound like spoiled brats upset that dad said you have to play nice with the new kid.