Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Reynhart]

Now years later, as a result of this roulette. Both CM and Prae have MANDATORY CS. Regardless of if you run it in the roulette or not.
It's not just about roulette, its about the two MSQ dungeons, having the cutscenes unskippable NO MATTER WHAT.

Yes, and if you don't run the roulette, it means you'll do these dungeons once per character. Considering you start playing FFXIV in 2013, you're likely to have dozens of days of playtime if not hundres, meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

You did try to shut me down. If saying "Considering you already spend so much time leveling 8 characters, you'll do those dungeons for each of them when the time comes, even if you don't like it, so it won't change anything wether you complain or not." Isn't a "shut up you'll do it and stop complaining." comment I don't know what is.

That's the thing, you can complain, but if you still pay your subcription, it's basically the same wether you complain or not. And, by having the courage/patience/sillyness (pick one) of leveling eight characters, there's literally no chance you will put all of this to waste because you'll have to do those dungeons again.

But on the other end, all those new players will have a real experience when running those dungeons, that won't be ruined by happy trigger players.
Oh, and by the way, if your other 7 characters didn't do those yet, they're probably not capped on poetics, and, obviously, not level 70. Did I mention that this roulette is a good option to gain both a decent amount of XP and a decent amount of poetics that will allow you to buy the best level 50 and level 60 gear for all those characters ?

When I said it harms more then it helps, I also mean it harms new players trying to get this done since less people will be willing to queue for it.

An assumption which is, again, based on no fact at all.

Exactly, some "new players" got a friend or two to try hold the group hostage, that is more toxic then any accuse being presented against speed runners since they could unsync it and went at their own pace. Are we done with the stawmans, Reynhart ?

It's funny because everyone tries to make a rule with a sample so little it's basically worthless, but pretend they know the general consensus on the community better than the people who actually have the best sample to analyze...do you really think they would have put that solution if only 1/1000th new players complained about that issue ?
Oh, and yes, to ensure that these dungeons are tackled according to their story relevance, let's run them in unsync to make them even less engaging...what a great solution !

[Vstarstruck]

meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

[Reynhart]

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

Considering that more than half of this topic has been written before even knowing how this roulette would roll, a good portion spread misinformation on the value of the reward versus the time, and another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette, preventing people who like that roulette to experience it (because reasons, I guess), most people here complain without having experienced any real issue yet.

[Vstarstruck]

Considering that more than half of this topic has been written before even knowing how this roulette would roll, a good portion spread misinformation on the value of the reward versus the time, and another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette, preventing people who like that roulette to experience it (because reasons, I guess), most people here complain without having experienced any real issue yet.

Cool, so is this you admitting you do not know why people are complaining then? because yet again (not shocked) this is you throwing out stawmans

It does still matter. You do not get change to happen by running away. I love this game and I want it to do well. You are right, I won't stop playing. But I will be heard, and I will keep giving my feedback and you'll have to deal with it.

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

I like leveling. It helps me learn my jobs from the bottom up. I do it to become a better player and because I enjoy playing this game. Sometimes I wanna just got dance for some sylphs again ok?

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it. Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

But nice try there. Cute.

I should not have to sit in Prae or CM for an hour + and I should not have to pay money to get past it either.

+1

Everyone deserves a choice what they want to do. This change is very bad and should be clear how bad it is when it auto scrolls (once again you can't slow it down and go an YOUR PACE!) when you unsync.

[BillyKaplan]

another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette,

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all. People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

[Enla]

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all. People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

Hell that's half the reason I story skip most of my alts to HW. Between the hell that was these dungeons even before the forced cutscenes and the even bigger hell that awaits from 2.1-2.55 I just didn't have much motivation to slog through that part of the story again. Now with the cutscenes being mandatory I have none at all, even for just running it as a roulette.

[Anarnee]

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It does still matter. You do not get change to happen by running away. I love this game and I want it to do well. You are right, I won't stop playing. But I will be heard, and I will keep giving my feedback and you'll have to deal with it.

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

I like leveling. It helps me learn my jobs from the bottom up. I do it to become a better player and because I enjoy playing this game. Sometimes I wanna just go dance for some sylphs again ok?

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it. Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

But nice try there. Cute.

I should not have to sit in Prae or CM for an hour + and I should not have to pay money to get past it either.

[Reynhart]

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

That's a group content, so not everybody can have their pace at the same time. And giving dev time to make up for any type of 8-man configuration, be it full premade, partial premade, or full random, is not a clever way to spend ressource when they already have a hard time bringing really new content.

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it.

Weaker gear than anything you can buy through poetics and than does not need to be replaced until level 68.

Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

Give me an example and let's talk about it, would you ?

Cool, so is this you admitting you do not know why people are complaining then? because yet again (not shocked) this is you throwing out stawmans

Please, enlighten me, let's hear your interpretation...

Not to mention mind you, those characters that are DPS. You want me to wait in a over 30min queue and then to do an hour and a half of dungeons

Sure, it's much better for them to run multiple duties suffering multiple times from a long queue time...people tend to forget about that.

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all.

ONCE, you'll have to face it ONCE in the whole lifetime of your character...Seriously, you'll spend more time complaining about it that actually "suffering" from it.

People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

So, in order to prevent you from this one trip, you're okay to remove the possibility for everyone to run the roulette, even though they might want to run it multiple times because they find it worthy, right ?

[BillyKaplan]

ONCE, you'll have to face it ONCE in the whole lifetime of your character...Seriously, you'll spend more time complaining about it that actually "suffering" from it.

And once on THAT alt, and once on THAT alt, and once on THAT alt... it's almost like it's piling up.
For someone who was all "what choice did sprouts have until now?!" you certainly don't seem to care about the lack of options when it's forcing the position you're advocating. Interesting. And sprouts would've had to go through that bad experience the once too, so that argument's value is moot.

Give me an example and let's talk about it, would you ?

A rank hunts, specifically ARR ones. Healer/tank queues on ARR trials to farm first timer bonus. And unlike with the MSQ roulette, you're actually engaging the game.

[Reynhart]

How about this Reynhart, lets compromise, I'll make a character on your server and you can solo me through since you love to watch those cut scenes.

Frankly, I'd have no issue helping a new character go through it. Buuut, there's no way you won't do your part during the fights, sorry.

A rank hunts, specifically ARR ones. Healer/tank queues on ARR trials to farm first timer bonus.

So, what about it, let's make a "race" then. I'll run the MSQ roulette as a healer, and post here :
- Time of queuing
- Time of exiting
- Experience before the run
- Experience after the run
And you try your way to see how much time it takes for you to gain the same number of poetics and XP, outside of the roulettes. Wanna try ?