Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Reynhart]

If you had to do something you didn't like, would you rather it take 15 minutes or 45 minutes?

Did new players really had a choice for the past 5 years ?
If this community didn't have enough jerks to make this roulette clearly a problem, they wouldn't have to put that kind of solution. Which, again, is still offering nice rewards for the time you spend on it.

[BillyKaplan]

Did new players really had a choice for the past 5 years ?

Two wrongs don't make a right. The fact it hasn't been done right until now doesn't mean it should be done wrong but in a different way. There's no reason why I shouldn't be able to go in there unsynced and run the thing as I damn well please where I absolutely will not affect anyone, or even synced but with a full premade where everyone agreed on how to run it. It's the most basic of basics and this completely ignores it, especially in a game which is supposed to be FUN. And don't start with me about how poor sprouts suffered those five years, I never said the old situation was alright. There's no moral high-ground in your stance, only spite and vindictiveness.

[Anarnee]

Did new players really had a choice for the past 5 years ?
If this community didn't have enough jerks to make this roulette clearly a problem, they wouldn't have to put that kind of solution. Which, again, is still offering nice rewards for the time you spend on it.

It's a worthless reward to me, 400 poetics? I've been capped on poetics since before Sb. The roulette was put in place because no one was running those dungeons. I'd rather they got rid of the roulette again, rather than make the scenes un-skipable. This is ten steps backwards.

You don't care about peoples experiences, don't pretend like you do now after trying to shut people down for trying to give their pov.

Not everyone has been a jerk in the community, and no one else should have to suffer for what SE themselves implemented poorly.

[Reynhart]

It's a worthless reward to me, 400 poetics? I've been capped on poetics since before Sb. The roulette was put in place because no one was running those dungeons. I'd rather they got rid of the roulette again, rather than make the scenes un-skipable. This is ten steps backwards.

No, your idea is ten steps backwards. If you don't need the roulette, then don't do it. Don't assume that everyone shouldn't be able to run it because you don't like and don't need it.

You don't care about peoples experiences, don't pretend like you do now after trying to shut people down for trying to give their pov.

Don't speak about things you don't know, you're only making a fool of yourself. And I don't "shut people down". It's just that lots of people complain that the game is dead because this and this, and, months later they're still paying they subscription like good sheep. And I'm pretty sure you'll be there with your 8 characters, too.

Not everyone has been a jerk in the community, and no one else should have to suffer for what SE themselves implemented poorly.

Again, if you don't need the roulette, why do you pretend suffering from this ? No one forces you to run it.

[Anarnee]

No, your idea is ten steps backwards. If you don't need the roulette, then don't do it. Don't assume that everyone shouldn't be able to run it because you don't like and don't need it.

Don't speak about things you don't know, you're only making a fool of yourself. And I don't "shut people down". It's just that lots of people complain that the game is dead because this and this, and, months later they're still paying they subscription like good sheep. And I'm pretty sure you'll be there with your 8 characters, too.

Again, if you don't need the roulette, why do you pretend suffering from this ? No one forces you to run it.

Lets start at the beginning of the five years.

No one queued for Prae or CM because there was no reward for doing it that was worth it to anyone. At first people chain ran it for tomes, and newbies got left behind still. Then no one ran it anymore, because those tomes were worthless.

SEs solution. MS Roulette. Queue times fixed. It is being ran over and over. But the problem still remains, newbies are being left behind.

Now years later, as a result of this roulette. Both CM and Prae have MANDATORY CS. Regardless of if you run it in the roulette or not.

It's not just about roulette, its about the two MSQ dungeons, having the cutscenes unskippable NO MATTER WHAT.

And if the roulette queue dies off, this queue will be fed by the Mentor roulette. Which I do from time to time. I set aside a lot of time for mentor roulette, because I've gotten many EX primals in it. Nidhogg, Ifrit, Bismark, Ramuh, Garuda, all of the past extreme primals. I would rather get, and throw my face at for an hour.

No. I'm watching 30mins of CS in Prae.

You did try to shut me down. If saying "Considering you already spend so much time leveling 8 characters, you'll do those dungeons for each of them when the time comes, even if you don't like it, so it won't change anything wether you complain or not." Isn't a "shut up you'll do it and stop complaining." comment I don't know what is.

It's effecting MORE than that one roulette, It's affecting anyone deciding they want to go through the main story again even if they don't run the failed roulette.

[Reynhart]

Now years later, as a result of this roulette. Both CM and Prae have MANDATORY CS. Regardless of if you run it in the roulette or not.
It's not just about roulette, its about the two MSQ dungeons, having the cutscenes unskippable NO MATTER WHAT.

Yes, and if you don't run the roulette, it means you'll do these dungeons once per character. Considering you start playing FFXIV in 2013, you're likely to have dozens of days of playtime if not hundres, meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

You did try to shut me down. If saying "Considering you already spend so much time leveling 8 characters, you'll do those dungeons for each of them when the time comes, even if you don't like it, so it won't change anything wether you complain or not." Isn't a "shut up you'll do it and stop complaining." comment I don't know what is.

That's the thing, you can complain, but if you still pay your subcription, it's basically the same wether you complain or not. And, by having the courage/patience/sillyness (pick one) of leveling eight characters, there's literally no chance you will put all of this to waste because you'll have to do those dungeons again.

But on the other end, all those new players will have a real experience when running those dungeons, that won't be ruined by happy trigger players.
Oh, and by the way, if your other 7 characters didn't do those yet, they're probably not capped on poetics, and, obviously, not level 70. Did I mention that this roulette is a good option to gain both a decent amount of XP and a decent amount of poetics that will allow you to buy the best level 50 and level 60 gear for all those characters ?

When I said it harms more then it helps, I also mean it harms new players trying to get this done since less people will be willing to queue for it.

An assumption which is, again, based on no fact at all.

Exactly, some "new players" got a friend or two to try hold the group hostage, that is more toxic then any accuse being presented against speed runners since they could unsync it and went at their own pace. Are we done with the stawmans, Reynhart ?

It's funny because everyone tries to make a rule with a sample so little it's basically worthless, but pretend they know the general consensus on the community better than the people who actually have the best sample to analyze...do you really think they would have put that solution if only 1/1000th new players complained about that issue ?
Oh, and yes, to ensure that these dungeons are tackled according to their story relevance, let's run them in unsync to make them even less engaging...what a great solution !

[Vstarstruck]

meaning that the time you will lose is only an insignificant fraction of your playtime. In fact, I'm pretty sure you already lost more time to lag in all your playtime than you will by not being able to skip the cutscenes.

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

[Reynhart]

I bet you are wondering why I said your consistently throwing out stawmans when you make statements like this? Do you even understand why people are here telling SE to take this change out of the game?

Considering that more than half of this topic has been written before even knowing how this roulette would roll, a good portion spread misinformation on the value of the reward versus the time, and another good portion think it clever to make those solo duties just because they don't want to run the roulette, preventing people who like that roulette to experience it (because reasons, I guess), most people here complain without having experienced any real issue yet.

[Anarnee]

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It does still matter. You do not get change to happen by running away. I love this game and I want it to do well. You are right, I won't stop playing. But I will be heard, and I will keep giving my feedback and you'll have to deal with it.

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

I like leveling. It helps me learn my jobs from the bottom up. I do it to become a better player and because I enjoy playing this game. Sometimes I wanna just go dance for some sylphs again ok?

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it. Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

But nice try there. Cute.

I should not have to sit in Prae or CM for an hour + and I should not have to pay money to get past it either.

[Reynhart]

Regardless of how many hours I've put into this game, I still should be able to experience those quests at MY pace when I come to them.

That's a group content, so not everybody can have their pace at the same time. And giving dev time to make up for any type of 8-man configuration, be it full premade, partial premade, or full random, is not a clever way to spend ressource when they already have a hard time bringing really new content.

The MSQ gives you gear along the way. Poetics are still useless on those characters, by the time I get through the MSQ, I have enough gil to just buy gear, why waste time getting the poetics gear what will be replaced in no time, when I can throw gil at it.

Weaker gear than anything you can buy through poetics and than does not need to be replaced until level 68.

Heck THERE ARE OTHER WAYS to get poetics MUCH faster.

Give me an example and let's talk about it, would you ?

Cool, so is this you admitting you do not know why people are complaining then? because yet again (not shocked) this is you throwing out stawmans

Please, enlighten me, let's hear your interpretation...

Not to mention mind you, those characters that are DPS. You want me to wait in a over 30min queue and then to do an hour and a half of dungeons

Sure, it's much better for them to run multiple duties suffering multiple times from a long queue time...people tend to forget about that.

You're either really not getting it or you don't want to get it at this point. This change affects not just the roulette but a hypothetical premade of 8 people, or an unsynced party, who don't care for the cutscenes and are running it for the first time on those charas if not at all.

ONCE, you'll have to face it ONCE in the whole lifetime of your character...Seriously, you'll spend more time complaining about it that actually "suffering" from it.

People who don't want that roulette anymore won't run it, but they'd still have to go through that broken content if they take an alt through that content. And as someone with several alts who have yet to clear that part of the MSQ, I'd much rather it became a solo duty instead of forcing me to sit through unscrollable, unskippable cutscenes.

So, in order to prevent you from this one trip, you're okay to remove the possibility for everyone to run the roulette, even though they might want to run it multiple times because they find it worthy, right ?