Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Beckett]

At this point, I think the only compromise we're gonna get is if EVERYONE in the group votes to skip a scene, then it can be skipped.
What worries me the most about this, is... what if they decide to start imposing non skippable cutscenes on OTHER duties or story?

I think it's clear SE has learned from their mistakes with the 2.0 MSQ dungeons. None of the content since Heavensward has had large cutscenes in the middle of an instance. Each instance has, at most, a short intro cutscene and a short final boss cutscene, with story scenes taking place only after the duty is complete.

Cut-scene vote would be a good idea - but i don't see it happening because people troll with vote systems already every day <vote abandon/vote kick etc>

I could only see cutscene vote skipping working if they did it like Overwatch, where each player votes anonymously and the cutscene only gets skipped if every player votes to skip it.

[Vstarstruck]

I think it's clear SE has learned from their mistakes with the 2.0 MSQ dungeons. None of the content since Heavensward has had large cutscenes in the middle of an instance. Each instance has, at most, a short intro cutscene and a short final boss cutscene, with story scenes taking place only after the duty is complete.



I could only see cutscene vote skipping working if they did it like Overwatch, where each player votes anonymously and the cutscene only gets skipped if every player votes to skip it.

it would not work here, as soon as there is a force view cs and people know that others will hit that to troll or whatever , 2 things will happen, one people will expect the person to admit who did it so they can kick the person or give them a hard time, or simply leave the DF.

The best solution is to put the things way back they where before 4.2 and give a pop up prompt to those clearing it for the first time, if they want to go slow and view the cs, it is advised to get a group of friends and unsync it. Otherwise be happy people are actually queuing for it.

Because a single player instance or "solo run" version would take a lot of development time and resources and the chance of SE spending those on a much older piece of the game is very low.

Then they had no business making a change at all after all this time, as I said before, half bake solutions can lead to worse situations then leaving it alone, like this case. If they want to please a very tiny minority of the game, they better put more effort in doing so, not inconvenience the majority.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Back when i tried this roulette for my Lv 51 job and 60 jobs, I was getting almost no exp. I think someone said it used to be 1.8% of your exp bar. All I remember, was looking where my exp bar was (it was lined up with an icon on my screen) and when done, my exp bar was still lined up with that icon, it didnt look like it moved at all.
This time, at Lv60, I got 20% of a levels worth of exp.
Thats a TON more exp than before, and actually worth doing.

I honestly plan to run these a lot now, and since its so easy, I have no issues with the change.
(This is also the new PvP way of leveling for me lol)

[Usho]

If you're fine watching the same old (now unskippable) cutscenes everyday over and over again be my guest. But as for me, there are other means to get exp and farm poetics without a ton of bs like having for example: Having 7 ppl who aren't new to those 2 MSQ roulette dungeons, but having 1 person who is new thus forcing 7 other people to sit through boring cutscenes for 1 person which can take over a half hour or longer depending on the party you get.

[Usho]

Continued... (damn forum limit *sigh*)

So...yeah...No.

The bonus exp and poetics aren't worth the time. I can get done 2 other roulettes in the time it takes to finish msq roulette now...and that is sad.

MSQ roulette used to take no longer than 15 mins to get finished. It was quick and easy, even with newbies, and half of the time, the newbies would skip the cutscenes anyway.

SE is appealing to a small minority of players but making it more tedious for more experienced players and like i said, half the time, even the newbies want to skip the cutscenes.

I just lol at the White Knights defending this bad decision for this roulette. But like I said, if you don't mind sitting through the same cutscenes over and over again everyday for meh rewards be my guest.

/2 cents

[Iscah]

I just lol at the White Knights defending this bad decision for this roulette. But like I said, if you don't mind sitting through the same cutscenes over and over again everyday for meh rewards be my guest.

I’m not sitting through the cutscenes, I’m doing something else while they auto-play. I’m genuinely happy for it to be this way because it’s the setup I would have wanted when I first experienced this part of the game. (Although I do agree that the ideal option would be the ability to skip scenes when nobody is new to the dungeon, I suspect it might be more hardwired and unable to do that. They still auto-scroll if you rewatch them at the inn now.)

I’m honestly not even thinking about the reward and whether the dungeon is relatively “worth it”. I just want to help new players.

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*goes off to get white dye for paladin armour*

[Usho]

And that's great Iscah, good for you for wanting to help out newbies. However, others who feel the same way I do don't want to waste an hour of our time in a roulette which used to take 15 mins or less to finish.

I don't mind helping newbies either...but I also value my time and don't like that by doing msq roulette now, you are forced to rewatch the same cutscenes over and over again Everyday.

This isn't a single player game, it's a MMO. Yoshi-Fail made the final 2 msq arr dungeons have a single player mode feel and that's fine...in a non MMO game....but this is a MMO meaning you are playing with other people.

[Usho]

SE should'nt have made those dungeons have those cutscenes in the first damn place. They and Yoshi-fail are the ones who screwed over new players because of their bad decision making. I used to blame the speedrunners for ruining my experience because like some i did miss some of those cutscenes/fights at the end of arr when i was new. But now I know it wasn't their fault and i don't blame them for wanting to get it done asap.


A roulette is basically meant to be speedran and to be done fast.

Hence why SE wised up with HW and did major cutscenes after dungeons. But now they royally screwed newbies again with this new change to the roulette cause the majority of vets and levelers won't want to waste an hour of their life watching old cutscenes over and over again...cutscenes they now CANNOT skip. Just bad decision making which Yoshi and Se are known for now and like se, Yoshi, doesn't learn from his mistakes.

[XiXiQ]

A roulette is basically meant to be speedran and to be done fast.

No, the roulettes were created to make it worthwhile for people to go back into older dungeons/content - to help the people still levelling, newcomers, etc. That's the tradeoff. That's why there is a reward for them.

[Jxnibbles]

No, the roulettes were created to make it worthwhile for people to go back into older dungeons/content - to help the people still levelling, newcomers, etc. That's the tradeoff. That's why there is a reward for them.

This may be true however if they remove the roulettes.. Most players will farm one dungeon or piece of content which is the fastest for said bonuses.

If they add more roadblocks to slow players down, these said players will do the roulette once and again farm the fastest dungeon or content to get whatever they need done. They need players to fill these roulettes up so they give us incentives if they don't all the new players will hit roadblocks.