Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[BillyKaplan]

the problem that SE is trying to fix

Let's revisit this statement, shall we? The problem in this case is "New players are in the roulette and want to see cutscenes and enjoy the duty as it was intended".
But sadly, that's a very specific case. More often than not you'll likely find no new players in that duty, new players who don't care about cutscenes, or new alts who have seen the cutscenes dozens of times before and couldn't care less.
It doesn't even matter how well this solution solves or doesn't solve the problem SE set out to 'fix' - it actually ignores the majority of scenarios and therefore is severely lacking.

[BillyKaplan]

The thing is that new players that like to see cutscenes were frequently forced to follow the fast pace, now they're free to enjoy the run as they see fit.

Criticizing this new solution which makes people not run the roulette (a direct contradiction of why it was even put up in the first place) does not mean people here think things were fine before. You can leave that sort of strawman argument at the door. The fact remains this so called solution caters to the minority of people who run those places. And no, they can't enjoy the run as they see fit, no one can, we all have to watch the scenes in their entirety whether they like it or not. The newbies who want the scenes can't even watch it at their own pace since they're auto scrolling.

[Reynhart]

Criticizing this new solution which makes people not run the roulette (a direct contradiction of why it was even put up in the first place) does not mean people here think things were fine before. You can leave that sort of strawman argument at the door. The fact remains this so called solution caters to the minority of people who run those places.

Problem is, in a story driven game like this one, the first time you run these dungeons should be a memorable one. And it's more important to safeguard this that to keep offering this method of leveling/farming for experienced players when there are dozens of other ones. And again, if you need both Xp and poetic tomestone, it's still a very good option, even for experienced players.

Frankly, for these two, I'd even double the reward to force an item sync, preventing people from facerolling it, since it kills a lot of the tension.

[BillyKaplan]

Problem is, in a story driven game like this one, the first time you run these dungeons should be a memorable one.

You're right, which is why I ran the place unsynced with my FC buddies. But there's more than one way to solve this.
You know what would've also been epic? Running the place with the GC's elites in a solo duty. No queues to worry about, go at your own pace. This literally solves all issues and improves the experience besides.

And again, if you need both Xp and poetic tomestone, it's still a very good option, even for experienced players.

The duty is still hardly interactive which is very offputting for a lot of people, regardless of awards. Plus it's way long and people will not have the time to add it to their daily routine.

[Reynhart]

You know what would've also been epic? Running the place with the GC's elites in a solo duty. No queues to worry about, go at your own pace. This literally solves all issues and improves the experience besides.

Who knows, maybe one day they'll increase the squadron size to full party and allow us to run these along with trials. But if that happens, they can simply delete the MSQ roulette.

The duty is still hardly interactive which is very offputting for a lot of people, regardless of awards.

Frankly, to this day, I still think Meridianum is the best designed dungeon of the game, no being shaped like a "straight line" and having you interact with the environnement, either by using the cannons, deactivating the alarm, or avoided the tracking lights.

[Alleo]

The newbies who want the scenes can't even watch it at their own pace since they're auto scrolling.

Exactly. When I was running those two dungeons for FC members and the few times with randoms, I never forced anyone to skip cutscenes. I even waited for them to show them the way, explain some stuff that they need to click on and more. I just find it bad that their solution is something that punishes way more people then it helps. If you try to do this daily or weekly you will be forced to watch that cutscene again and again and newer people that dont want to watch it will have to do so too. I just wished that they had made it into a solo instance. I mean the bosses are jokes anyway with veteran players so that poor Lahabrea cant even finish his speach before he is death. That would not leave a grand feeling inside of me. A solo instance would have given people the pace that they wanted. They can watch them or not, and the bosses might be no jokes too. And to give veteran players the chance to see that too they could have introduced a NPC that will make such solo battles replayable.

[Krotoan]

Let's revisit this statement, shall we? The problem in this case is "New players are in the roulette and want to see cutscenes and enjoy the duty as it was intended".
But sadly, that's a very specific case. More often than not you'll likely find no new players in that duty, new players who don't care about cutscenes, or new alts who have seen the cutscenes dozens of times before and couldn't care less.
It doesn't even matter how well this solution solves or doesn't solve the problem SE set out to 'fix' - it actually ignores the majority of scenarios and therefore is severely lacking.

The other two possibilities for people running that same roulette were: People who wanted another "daily" bonus and people who want to just run through the story for alts or completing it and don't care about the story.

Right?

You're talking about what happened through the old system. People would run it BECAUSE it was a decent way to grab another chunk of XP. Not because it was MSQ, that just happened to be one checkmark on a list they could tick off every day for an extra bit. There were less involved things to run constantly if you weren't going for the daily bonus. Things that were more "efficient".

The things they were actually getting complaints about were from new players basically quitting because the MSQ ending which should have been an epic experience, was toxic, rushed and a mishmash of cutscene after cutscene that made no sense. They were then plunged into the end of the game(arr) without any understandable context. You can search for yourself. There were several threads even on the forum about it.
The reason posted by the devs themselves "We'll be making adjustments to the main scenario dungeons, so that new players can enjoy them without worrying."
It doesn't matter? So the people who want to play this game and experience the story, something for which this game is KNOWN and in my opinion sets it apart from all of it's competition, don't matter?

[BillyKaplan]

The things they were actually getting complaints about were from new players basically quitting because the MSQ ending which should have been an epic experience, was toxic, rushed and a mishmash of cutscene after cutscene that made no sense. They were then plunged into the end of the game(arr) without any understandable context. You can search for yourself. There were several threads even on the forum about it.

This is the part where I remind you you're fighting a windmill because no one thinks things were fine the way they were before. So you can stop reminding me of this. And you could also read my posts in full to see I got around that myself because I wanted to enjoy the experience. I know what that is like for first timers who care. I know. Chill.

The reason posted by the devs themselves "We'll be making adjustments to the main scenario dungeons, so that new players can enjoy them without worrying."

And to hell with the new players who don't care, amirite? They also exist. And what about fast readers who'd like to click their own texts? What about slow readers who can't read fast enough before the texts shift over?
This solution doesn't even cover the entirety of the demographic they claim they wanted to cater for.

The problem with both you and Reynhart is that you think if anyone is displeased with this solution, then they're against finding a solution for this period and we should be happy with this new situation just because they addressed the issue to begin with. That's not how it works. And you'd also do well to notice that the majority of people are advocating for it to become a solo duty - we're throwing the roulette out the window to begin with so no one is holding onto their precious 'check entry on the daily to-do list'.

[Reynhart]

And to hell with the new players who don't care, amirite? They also exist. And what about fast readers who'd like to click their own texts? What about slow readers who can't read fast enough before the texts shift over?
This solution doesn't even cover the entirety of the demographic they claim they wanted to cater for.

This solution does not need to cover the majority of the demographic. Fast readers and new players who don't care can be part of the problem as much has veteran players, simply by forcing players who do care to rush through the cutscenes. For slow readers, I'm not really sure how slow you need to be to not being able to follow the pace.

And you'd also do well to notice that the majority of people are advocating for it to become a solo duty - we're throwing the roulette out the window to begin with so no one is holding onto their precious 'check entry on the daily to-do list'.

This is what I don't understand...for veteran players, who are basically those complaining that the MSQ roulette is wasted, what would they gain if those dungeons are changed into solo duties ? Either way, you wouldn't have access to it for leveling and farming, so you shouldn't bother how much time the roulette takes or how much it rewards you even now. The only thing that would do is prevent those who like the MSQ roulette as it is to do in the future.