Please Reconsider MSQ Changes

[Ametrine]

I'm just sitting in the position of waiting it out. I just don't need poetics right now, so I have no reason to run it, but I do have RDM at level 50, so I might do some EXP recordings to test it out.

My deal is I would run these dungeons unsync with players so that they could see the scenes proper. I would always be the one volunteering to lead newbies along if they wanted to watch the CS.

So my attitude going into this roulette was that it'd take time.

It's just been rolled back to the same category as guildhests to me. Only worth it at a certain level.

[Keyln]

I ran the MSQ a few times as a tank, and my experience has been rather good.

First of all, 500 tomes in 45 minutes is a rather good return on my time, especially considering most of that time is in cutscenes. I've heard of people getting two levels in a single run, so that makes it worthwhile.

And this fix addresses a long-standing issue that should have been resolved an expansion ago.

Overall, I rather like this patch.

Finally, to the chap that said that roulettes are for speedrunning, I have to say I disagree.

[Krotoan]

I ran the MSQ a few times as a tank, and my experience has been rather good.

First of all, 500 tomes in 45 minutes is a rather good return on my time, especially considering most of that time is in cutscenes. I've heard of people getting two levels in a single run, so that makes it worthwhile.

And this fix addresses a long-standing issue that should have been resolved an expansion ago.

Overall, I rather like this patch.Finally, to the chap that said that roulettes are for speedrunning, I have to say I disagree.

Agreed, roulettes were to get people into the instances. HOW they played those instances was up to the party and people who were xp/tome maximizers , who have other options which have been apparently proven better xp/tomes per minute, took away an experience from those who didn't have an option for completing that part of the MSQ.

The main problem here is they're used to it being a certain way.

while I continue to say nothing needs to be changed for the current iteration of the roulette, we need to do something about running the instance OUT of the roulette.. but that is the ONLY adjustment I can see necessary without further, and extensive data on the current MSQ runs.

Only that change negatively affected those who the roulette wasn't catering to.

Also as was earlier said, if it can be dynamically changed to having skippable cutscenes if no new runners are present, that should be done as well and is quite fair.

Arguably the line should have been designed better in the first place and the decision to keep it without modification all these years is questionable. However the likelyhood of modifying the current system is much greater than expecting a demonstrably resistant to rework team to redo the whole thing.

[Vstarstruck]

Here's one where the the OP is at 100Another one where the first reply agreeing to the OP is at 156

Both topics not posted just after a big change on that subject, which likely gives a lot of attention to recent threads, and that don't have half of their content complaining before ever knowing how much of an issue this could be (For example, when people still hoped they could skip the cutscenes in premade and were only complaining about the roulette, making all the concerns about alts moot back then, or having no real idea or how the reward would be increased)

Again, don't try to prove you're a vast majority...

You have no idea why they got liked do you? a hint is...it is not because it supports your position.

The king of throwing starmans, and not replying to what is posted to him is advising others on fallacies that is rich.

Protip, try reading posts in full and responding them in full.

"In addition to this, square enix hands out an additional 100 relics if a new member is present for this dungeon. why? likely for this very reason, so that people wouldn't abuse new players."

I have a problem with this, sounds like victimizing. It was never explained what they tried to tell the group in slowing down, how come there was no kicks on the people being jerks? In runs when I come across people like that, ones causing problems, I get kicks passed on the people causing the problems. That post or the 156 thing does not support your point at all and supports mine, SE should not be babying people and forcing people to watch CS at a fixed speed because people do not know how to communicate and treat each other.

"so he typed up a big paragraph which I'm pretty sure included key story points and spoilers from both Heavensward and Stormblood. So now before I've even gotten around to buying the Stormblood expansion, there are a few things I now know beforehand which pisses me off.."

this has nothing about if SE should make these CS unskipable, this is about people not knowing how to act.

So I told you my main point, along with stating before in past posts, they CS are still play at a fixed speed unsync. People should have a right to chose how they do things and how slow, fast they want to watch the CS. Most of the time I see "take all the time you want to watch the CS but we are moving on ahead to finish it because it takes too long" and rarely see anything outside that.

You found 2 posts, one from 2014, grats? still harming 1000 to help 1 because one select group does not know how to communicate, that degree of babying I find insulting. If they want a proper remedy a simple pop up can appear for first time goers suggesting they use the PF if they want to take their time because it can take over 1 hour to watch all the cutscenes. No reasoning in the world will change my stance of 1. making people watch CS at a fixed speed, some read faster, some read slower. 2. making people watch CS at a fixed speed/ at all, in pf unsync groups. In all your posts I do not even know what you are debating here, when I repeatedly state mine while it going ignored.

Also as was earlier said, if it can be dynamically changed to having skippable cutscenes if no new runners are present, that should be done as well and is quite fair.

This is why we need people that think about what changes will impact the community before actually releasing them. You REALLY.. .REALLY do not see the issue this can bring? 7 people that want to hyper speed it, and a new person forcing CS. step 1, kick the new player, then if the DF still forces the CS unskipable because they entered with the new player, the 7 can leave without penalty.

This change is insulting most of the player base suggesting they need to be babysat to this degree? I do not understand why people would support anything in regards having to do something. It is just gonna mean longer queue times for new players, I am not being "catered to" and it negatively impacts everyone because it makes queue times increase. I see no reason to white knight this change.

For your last my argument is this, you either change it fully to fix the problem, or do not touch it at all. Making a half effort fix is often worse then not doing anything, like we have now to prove such a statement. ether change it to make it solo or revert it back to how it was before 4.2. The playerbase does not need this degree of babying because people do not know how to talk to each other.

As a human being I should have a right how I do things, a right how fast or slow I want to view the CS, not be forced on me, I am shocked more are not insulted by such a concept. I do not need to be told how fast or slow to view a CS. I do what I want.

[Reynhart]

this has nothing about if SE should make these CS unskipable, this is about people not knowing how to act.

Meridianum and Praetorium are introduced, but no one runs it several times, so, late player have a hard time running it.
SE creates the MSQ roulette to encourage people to return there, some people are putting pressure to skip CS because they don't want to waste time.
SE introduced the kick system to encourage people playing nice, some people use it to be jerks with new players, like, for example :

step 1, kick the new player, then if the DF still forces the CS unskipable because they entered with the new player, the 7 can leave without penalty.

SE introduced the new player bonus, to make it more bearable to run with new players, and increase the reward/time ratio.
SE introduced wonder tails, encouraging player to return to old content, and at the same time, increases the new player bonus for any content that's not directly linked to wondrous tails.

Apparently, it didn't really change the situation, since, after all that, they come to the conclusion that the only way to really fix the initial problem is to stop people from rushing, but still drastically increase the reward.

At one point will you realize that a significant part of the community is still behaving like jerks even after all the bonuses they gave, and they're bored of finding solution that people will still bypass just to still be jerks ?
You don't think the MSQ roulette is worth it, fine, don't run it. And all the people that acted like jerks in the past will also stop running it ensuring that the remaining people will allow for pleasant runs for new players, and still get a worthy reward when they decide to level a fresh level 50 characters.

Keep your "strawman" escape all you want, keep your position because you have all the right to, I'm just glad we won't ever cross with each other in the MSQ roulette thanks to our different POV.

See you again ! or not...

[NephthysVasudan]

I find it utterly pathetic and hilarious and sad that people are arguing over something that you are not required to play or use..yet they complain when they use it...ignoring the fact they where told up front what would happen.

But please..do continue beating each other up. *eats popcorn*

[Veliena]

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Neph I swear the more stuff I read of yours on the forums the more you are becoming one of my favorite posters lol

On the topic of this, I think the best solution would be to give the 2 instances a box, this box ask if you will sit through cutscenes for extra rewards. If you do not check the box, you are placed in a group consisting of only people who did not check the box, and all cutscenes are auto skipped. If you check the box, you are only placed with players who did check the box.

Simple.

[NephthysVasudan]

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DAWWWWWW <3

*looks at the crowd*

Honestly there is no solution...its a paradox.

Problem A: There are new players (and the stupid part is everyone claims otherwise..you people can just go shove it :P ) that want to see the cut-scenes ONCE..but cant and where pressured to speed run this...I was one of them by the way (newbies that is)....And some quit the game...obviously SE Saw this and got fed up.
Problem B: People grinding the MSQ Roulette for a decent EXP/Tome bonus - but they don't like cut-scenes....so ermmmhurrdurr they brute force the 2 dungeons and leave the poor newbies behind.

Fact: Of the entire series these are the only 2 dungeons like this....people are all panic'd and going "oh shit" they are going to do this again! PANIC! PANIC PANIC! PANIC! THE WORLD IS GOING oh please shut up already. SE will never do anything like this again. This is old content they are trying to deal with. Grow up already.
Fact: People who use this roulette don't have too..they can go somewhere else...yet they pick it anyway and have the gal to come here and bitch about it? T.T;
Fact: The only LEGITIMATE complaint right now for anything to do with this change are people who DO join - only to find others ditching the game (and should be -ditchers- thrice damned because they KNEW what was going on in the first place) leaving behind people who are stuck with it.

Oh and Mentors - yes you - you lose the right to complain by default if you join this roulette (via mentor or when wearing the badge)...don't got the time? Don't commit.

But alas....will anyone pay attention? Nope...too content to complain and beat each other senseless and blame it all on SE.

Do I like this change? No.
So I wont do the roulette... UNLESS its in mentor duty and I have enough time to finish the job..and you can be damn sure I won't ditch either unless I have no choice. Because is the right thing to do.
But you don't see me complaining about this like some total child moron now do you.

You may be paying for your subscriptions guys...you may say "I play my way or the high way" guess what...you don't own this game....leave if you don't like it....or better yet..how about you actually listen to the best advise overall.

STOP USING THE MSQ ROULLETE. It's what I'm doing :P (unless I have time to kill)

The newbies will be in total pain but SE will have to do something about it. Bitching about it on the forums is pathetic - your beating a dead horse....and you wont get anywhere further than whats already been said.
Mentors however..will need to step up and take care of things...instead of being lazy ego-tistical-elitists who think they are better than anyone else.

Solutions offered are unique...but like it or not - these 2 dungeons are unique and require a full party to run PROPERLY - any other change would be a significant rewrite.
Cut-scene vote would be a good idea - but i don't see it happening because people troll with vote systems already every day <vote abandon/vote kick etc>

Bottom line - you want SE's attention? Stop doing it....or leave....but stop making yourselves to be fools by keeping this argumentation up and making a dozen more threads over the same damn thing.

The irony is...people who don't like this..will skip cut-scenes if permitted..and you can be damn sure they will leave the newbies behind and make some stupid excuse....which means you have no excuse period. if you can't figure that out...you have zero cause to be complaining because there is only one person here to blame for this change.....and thats the people who skipped cut-scenes adnausim and speed run the dungeon.

Like it or not... SE picks newbies over anyone else...period. Ignore that fact..and you damn yourself. So until a proper solution is thought of to keep everyone happy...you'll have to get used to the current system. Revert it - and newbies will start complaining in droves.

Damned if you do..damned if your don't...but please stop this pathetic argumentation.....

*hops off soap box*

[Anarnee]

Dramatics

...Ok yeah nice, but still tell me why I have to watch those garbage cut scenes when I am running my alts through the main story. Unsynced in PF or with a friend.

I don't give a chocobo's behind about the Main scenario roulette anymore. Won't do it ever again. Won't help anyone asking for help with those dungeon again. Won't. That's not a problem. I don't need the exp or the tomes from it.

Where as I use to be the person explaining things to newbies, waiting for them, or telling them not to skip the CS and enjoy their story. I've run into plenty of people that were ready and eager to skip cut scenes because the read up on the instances before hand, but I would still tell them they shouldn't because I do think the story should be enjoyed the first time through, something that I didn't get my first run. I am not needed to do this anymore. They can sit and watch it and not worry now.

But I do have a few alts that I would like to finish the story on though. Now tell me why I can't skip cut scenes that I have already seen a dozen times before, when I want to get the duty quickly done.

You keep nagging about points that I've seen few and far between even bring up on the recent pages, and making drama out of it, when I'm not even seeing any people talking about what you're saying.

You could just as well take your own advice and walk away if you don't like it.

Nothing gets changes if you're quiet about it, and I will not be quiet about it.

[Ashiee]

I don't understand what is so hard about not queuing for MSQ Roulette. No one is forcing anyone to run the roulette daily for EXP/Tomes. I hate running expert, so I don't do it... I just don't understand what's so hard about just simply not running it.

If queue times for new players become terrible where they can't clear it, I'm pretty sure SE will actually do something about it since MSQ gates content and they will lose subscribers if they don't.

...Ok yeah nice, but still tell me why I have to watch those garbage cut scenes when I am running my alts through the main story. Unsynced in PF or with a friend.

I will agree that there should be an option via PF/Unsync to skip the CS's in these dungeons.