So glamour plates are dumber than anticipated...

[Vstarstruck]

It seems you've misunderstood me then. I was pointing out that other "current" games are still having similar problems but in different areas.
The system has shortcomings, we should ask to have them corrected. Limited space, limited plates and limiting areas for implementation, inability to directly apply to certain NPC's we control. Most of these have promises to be fixed..

where?

All i keep hearing is "server limitations" so sorry of being skeptical when they let us down time and time again. This is the second expansion, a modern game? I stand what I said, unacceptable, I do not care if you hate the word. I guess it may be a good idea to advise you not to play bravery default.

Speaking of, this relays my feelings nicely:
https://youtu.be/Wk_QyPykxZA

If this was 2.0, i would be on your side, this is 4.2 though, on a modern game, 2018, times change.

[Panda-s1]

That would be a viable solution!...

I could make everyone look like standard NPCs in my own game while the rest of players can have whatever look they want in their own clients!...

Lift glamour restrictions = Option to make other players wear standard outfits.

Win - win in my opinion and the only way I'd support it!...

are people really this bothered by people's glamour choices? really? in a series where the average protagonist is likely to wield a sword and no armor?

[Vstarstruck]

are people really this bothered by people's glamour choices? really? in a series where the average protagonist is likely to wield a sword and no armor?

I think it is more hyperbole, like a sarcastic comment to mock the system. If people really do feel that way though, be a new one to me.

From my point of view it is either "do not care" or "wow nice glam", approaches.

[Panda-s1]

This is how I read your post:
"Everything has down sides so it makes it ok and we should accept the shortcomings of a system no matter how big"

I do not think so, There is no reason games in the late 90's and early 00's should be outperforming a modern game in its second expansion in 2018.

This system is downright unacceptable with the money we give them. They do not put enough money back in the game, that is why we have this nonsense.

man really? the glamour system isn't as flexible as some would like it to be and you're gonna say it's being outperformed by games from the late 90's? Everquest wishes it looked this good.

[Vstarstruck]

man really? the glamour system isn't as flexible as some would like it to be and you're gonna say it's being outperformed by games from the late 90's? Everquest wishes it looked this good.

performance is not the same as graphics.

[Panda-s1]

performance is not the same as graphics.

I still stand by what I say. the glamour system in ff14 is pretty good. not only is it good, they made it even more efficient with this patch by eliminating the need for specific glamour prisms. with glamour plates I can use a glamour prism on a piece of armor once and can apply it as many times as I want, that's not only more efficient, but economical. sure I'm probably not gonna put rare loot in the dresser, but the old system is still in place, and it's not like glamour pieces have much use outside the dresser anyway.

the glamour dresser and plates aren't what I wanted them to be, but I'm not gonna say SE failed just because they didn't meet my specific expectations.

[Vstarstruck]

I still stand by what I say. the glamour system in ff14 is pretty good. not only is it good, they made it even more efficient with this patch by eliminating the need for specific glamour prisms. with glamour plates I can use a glamour prism on a piece of armor once and can apply it as many times as I want, that's not only more efficient, but economical. sure I'm probably not gonna put rare loot in the dresser, but the old system is still in place, and it's not like glamour pieces have much use outside the dresser anyway.

the glamour dresser and plates aren't what I wanted them to be, but I'm not gonna say SE failed just because they didn't meet my specific expectations.

It has NOTHING to do with meeting expectations. It fails atm because it fails, it is a pre-alpha state, something I expect to see in 1.0 or 2.0, not 3.0 +. This is the result when you are not getting an AAA game funded properly. It is hardly functional, all these limitations? those exists because it is pre-alpha, showing its dated, not a full release idea in the second expansion. It should be way more refined this point.

Heck its own game, ffxi, has more refined glam system and inventory management then this one does.

[Panda-s1]

It has NOTHING to do with meeting expectations. It fails atm because it fails, it is a pre-alpha state, something I expect to see in 1.0 or 2.0, not 3.0 +. This is the result when you are not getting an AAA game funded properly. It is hardly functional, all these limitations? those exists because it is pre-alpha, showing its dated, not a full release idea in the second expansion. It should be way more refined this point.

Heck its own game, ffxi, has more refined glam system and inventory management then this one does.

pre-alpha? I don't think you understand what pre-alpha means. the system works as intended, it just doesn't live up to people's expectations. and again the old glamour system is not only still in place, but was improved with this patch.

it's also not fair to compare this to ff11 either considering that game has been out for over 15 years and probably runs on a very different engine.

[Fawkes]

I think people's complaints about the glamour toilet are based entirely from what they wanted this system to be, and not what it actually is.

People wanted a way to have different glamour for every combat and crafting job and this doesn't give you enough plates to do that. Maybe it will someday, but right now that's not what this system does. However, it does let you cast the same glamours over and over freely, which allows you to change your glamour more often and possibly keep your glamour intact when you upgrade your gear. Also, you can glamour the entire contents of your armoire with no prisms required or anything having to be flushed into the toilet forever, so if you want to dress up in seasonal event gear for various events you can easily throw some on a plate and freely glamour it on.

It does need work, there's no good reason we can't change glamour everywhere we can change gear sets. And the 200 item limit is going to be too low, that or the inability to remove things needs to change.

[Alleo]

Right now the only thing you are losing is the ability to put it on your retainer and Adventure Squad members. Retainer is the largest concern of the two for me since I set them up around my house to make it look busy outside.

Excluding the destruction of items that your retainers and AS members can use, it's just a horrible system. It's overly complex and doesn't actually do what we want.

I honestly thougth that the plates would be more like the wardrobe in rift. There you have a lot different ensembles which you can save and with one single click you can change that ensemble to be your recent glamour..You just need to save the old look as one too if you want it back and then you can switch inbetween any of them with just one click everywhere you are..or you can simply have one set and click onto the glamour slot (since gear and glamour can have extra slots) and with another click change the look of the glamour to whatever you want, even from something that is not from your role. No need for items like prism, no certain place that you need to be and if you swap gear out of it the glamour will still stay since they are different slots.

Its easy and on top of that has a glamour log too so you can just collect every single item in this game..

And then we got the "new" system in FF14 which is just confusing, has a limit on both plates and in the dresser and destroys your gear...also it takes away the dye.

This ist truly just bad and needs lots of rework for me to touch it..why not make a good system from the very beginning? I would have waited till 5.0 for that..