This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[HyoMinPark]

The latest part is what kinda pissed me off too, as i said even with a big mistake and dps being... what did he call that again ? Oh yes, being "grey", the run has been smooth and easy.

A detrimental mistake like all 4 DPS dying because the other tank failed to levitate on time and didn’t get knocked back during tanks/healers Long Drop would hardly be called “smooth and easy” in a lot of people’s books. If the DPS had been considerably low prior, then that also wouldn’t be considered “smooth and easy” to some. What is “smooth and easy” is different based on the individual.

I have no doubt it would have become better later with people more warmed up.

Again, if this is a farm group, sticking it out with low DPS and a tank that got all four killed is probably not the best road to take when you’re looking to farm quickly and efficiently.

I have seen way worse in training groups with people dying several times and not even reaching 3k dps, and when it happens it is a pleasure to stick with the same guys and see everyone improve as the group sinergy goes up. A thing that dont happen when you kick half of your group after a single run because of fflogs reasons.

Training groups are different from farm groups. Again, if this group was a farm, behavior that is considered acceptable (lower outgoing damage, deaths, failed mechanics) become less acceptable.

Seems like you like to twist words too, i am not gonna explain my point again. As for the "slow" run it is the second fastest one i get listed on fflogs, i even have some above ten minutes where i was dpsing more, and i didn't kick anybody for that. Kinda reach again the point of ridiculous expectations, defeating a boss is not enough, you have to do it under x minutes under the enrage timer itself or you are wasting your precious time XD

I have no idea who this is addressed to since the forum won’t show your post in its entirety unless I hit “Reply with Quote.”

The entire idea when it comes to farming is to squeeze in as many clears as possible in as short a time frame as possible. If you have two groups, and one is clearing V2S in 7~8 minutes, and the other is clearing in 9~10 minutes, bordering on enrage, most people will choose the first group, because faster clears = more farming potential. That’s how farming works. The 7~8 minute ones are more than likely smoother as well, because shorter duration probably means higher damage output and less mess-ups. People like that in farm groups. The fewer mistakes, the better.

I don't know where you see that much people dealing 4,5k+ damage, but they sure aren't legion in the groups i end in. The vast majority stay in the 3k range.

The majority of the farm groups I am in pull numbers like that. That’s not an uncommon occurrence this late in the tier. If your DPS are staying in the 3k range, then they aren’t doing enough because 4k is extremely easy to hit now with proper gear and a proper rotation. (Also, if you don’t parse, then how would you know what numbers others are pulling, unless you just go by uploads?)


Also, if you just wanted to vent, there’s already a thread for venting about crappy parties. No need to create new ones.

[Kaethra]

The tanks did more DPS than all the actual DPS but the NIN. o-O

Friend of mine runs a parser as a tank and sees DPS in DF do this all the time. This does not surprise me if this is happening here. When I'm playing my redmage, its not uncommon for me to do 500-1200 more dps than a DPS who's even got 5-15 ilvls above me.

Without parsing, there's literally no way to tell if the short end of the stick is the DPS. Or which one.

If SE ever did decide to implement a parser. I think it should measure potency per second rather than raw damage. Then have a separate one for damage when someone is solo fighting a target dummy. That'll curb most elistism down based on gear. While still showing who's putting in the most effort.

Because sorry to say.. you DO need your damage to be MUCH higher than the tanks' in the higher content. That's just a fact.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

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No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced. At the Savage level, tanks should be breaking at least 2,500 at the bare minimum. Even that's on the lower side. The fact a MCH was anywhere near a WAR even with a death isn't a good sign. The WAR only pulled 81%, which isn't even at the top tier level yet out-dpsed everyone except the NIN. Unless this were advertised as a learning group, I find it... suspect. Honestly, my interpretation of his response was more "touch shit" on the PLD, SCH and AST who were essentially carrying the run. Rude? Maybe, but hardly something to get uppity over parsers about. Perhaps the OP should practice more herself because...

3,5k-4k is way more than enough for o2s, we are gonna end as World of Warcraft with stupidly high requirements for easy content.

"More than enough" isn't an excuse. If you're learning, that is one thing, but to handwave who is otherwise exceptionally low DPS doesn't help your argument. If everyone held this standard, you wouldn't be clearing. The only reason you did it because both tanks and healers compensated for the lack of DPS. You essentially put much higher demand on them. Was the WAR a bit of a jerk? Sure. But that has little to do with parsing. He could easily say what he said without ever referencing a parse. Instead of getting defensive, shrug it off, look at your own performance and ask what you could have done better.

[spagthetapdancer]

No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced. At the Savage level, tanks should be breaking at least 2,500 at the bare minimum. Even that's on the lower side. The fact a MCH was anywhere near a WAR even with a death isn't a good sign. The WAR only pulled 81%, which isn't even at the top tier level yet out-dpsed everyone except the NIN. Unless this were advertised as a learning group, I find it... suspect. Honestly, my interpretation of his response was more "touch shit" on the PLD, SCH and AST who were essentially carrying the run. Rude? Maybe, but hardly something to get uppity over parsers about. Perhaps the OP should practice more herself because...

okay. that's proportions I can actually grasp then. I've only really seen one PLD pull over 4k, ever(in fact, I thought I'd effectively witnessed a unicorn...). but if 2500 is the actual floor for savage, then the occasional 3.2k's I've seen from some tanks make a touch more sense.

[PArcher]

The majority of the farm groups I am in pull numbers like that. That’s not an uncommon occurrence this late in the tier. If your DPS are staying in the 3k range, then they aren’t doing enough because 4k is extremely easy to hit now with proper gear and a proper rotation. (Also, if you don’t parse, then how would you know what numbers others are pulling, unless you just go by uploads?)

To just add to this; I normally play tank (as in, I'm not especially good at anything else since I get no practice). I jumped into an O2S once as a BRD (literally my only Deltascape parse as a DPS), screwed up my rotation a ton (got my songs extremely misaligned somehow), and still pulled 4.3K DPS. Sure, I know the fight, but anyone in a farm party should too.

Unless severely undergeared, a DPS shouldn't be pulling less than decent tank DPS in a farm party

[akaneakki]

No offense, but those tanks are bad or inexperienced.

It's sad the the tank and the healer dps wasnt appreciated by the OP. You can clearly tell if none of they did try as good as they did, it be even slower to kill, hell it might been wipes, because you can clearly tell those healers know what they are doing. Most healers who don't even dps are bad at healing in the first place. Edit: Op was the MCH so it was a 8 min fight, they died around 3-4 min mark, so they should never been this low at all. But I wont judge, I'm a sad level 30 mch, but again that should never happen, even with a death. People have so low standars these days, just imagine they go in a group with low dps tanks, no healer dps and they go around with that dps in every group.

[Vanitas]

Remember folks, guns have minds of their own and choose to kill people NOT the people holding the gun.
/thread

[Sylvina]

I see the usual suspects are making their claims that tanks should do dps levels of dps and dps should somehow do far more. typical. maybe when in max item level haha.

[HyoMinPark]

I see the usual suspects are making their claims that tanks should do dps levels of dps and dps should somehow do far more. typical. maybe when in max item level haha.

When you are full 340, yes, you should be doing more than the tank. You should be doing more than the tank as a DPS regardless.

PS - OP’s MCH gear is full 340. For the record.

[akaneakki]

I see the usual suspects are making their claims that tanks should do dps levels of dps and dps should somehow do far more. typical. maybe when in max item level haha.

lol, so you are saying you do as much as a tank as dps and sometimes less? Good to know :')
Since you are so good at dodgin every question I ask you in most threads:

You're good at the game? You're an elitist.
You're using a parser to better yourself? Elitist.
You're making suggestions on how someone can improve themselves? E l i t i s t.

You wipe a farm party constantly but you're having fun playing your way. Nah you're fine dude.

Does this remind you of someone?