This is why this game should'nt get a parse

[Rikuide]

If i didn't get killed because of the tank's fault, i would have get more dps than him. The only run i get as low is because other people were getting killed left and right too.

Your logs are there for all to see and they show a MCH who can't even hit 4K (even in deathless runs).

You're the DPS who's never had to accept responsibility for your performance - your previous groups just having to make up for your low damage. When someone snaps and tells you how it is, you run to the forums and spin the anti-parser narrative. ACT and FFlogs are tools - they can be used to help players or they can be used to flame players. Responsibility for those actions rests with the players, not the tool.

Toxicity is a problem. Players who require carries are also a problem.

[jameseoakes]

Your logs are there for all to see and they show a MCH who can't even hit 4K (even in deathless runs).

You're the DPS who's never had to accept responsibility for your performance - your previous groups just having to make up for your low damage. When someone snaps and tells you how it is, you run to the forums and spin the anti-parser narrative. ACT and FFlogs are tools - they can be used to help players or they can be used to flame players. Responsibility for those actions rests with the players, not the tool.

Toxicity is a problem. Players who require carries are also a problem.

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

[HyoMinPark]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

[Canadane]

It also reveals the truth when it comes to stories like this one.

"The run was going fine! Smooth and easy!"

A WAR doing more damage than 3 of the DPS, even if they all died once, is not "smooth" or "easy".

To people who are likely used to underperforming groups including themselves, finding a decent tank does likely make a run smoother than what they're used to.

[Baalfrog]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"

[jameseoakes]

Its not like you can't go there and make it all private if you don't want people to see it.... Also fairly certain if anyone ever uploads a parse, its so they can see their own performance, be it for further analysis or to see how it compares on ladders, not because "OOOH that dude was so bad, I'm going to upload!"

Well I've got parse data on there despite not having access to a parser. It should be set to hidden by default as you have to know it exists to be able to do that. FFlogs should not be treated as something that is required in end game.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Given that it shows people data without consent I'd but a lot of blame on the tool as it far to easy to use to abuse people.

And yet I see far more toxicity from the casual side than parse advocates. Calling out someone for essentially getting carried isn't abuse.

"Uh, what's going on, DRG? Your damage is way lower than it ought to be."
"Are you a dumbass? Just uninstall the game if you're gonna play like shit."

Both statements reference a parse yet only one could be reasonably labeled toxic. In the event parsers were ever implemented, the latter statement could and should be reported. Assuming the GMs do their job, said player would get a warning. So...

Not gonna lie... I laughed way harder than I probably should have at this. It sounds so mean but at the same time it would get people to open their eyes. Thing is, I believe if someone isn't doing that great, there's a high chance they're still learning the fight.

I firmly believe many people don't even realize how poor their performance is because this game does absolutely nothing to relay that information to the player. You have to rely on third parties for rotation guides and advice. On more than a few occasions I've talked to people after a run that I at least somewhat know and they've been shocked that what they were doing wasn't the proper rotation.

[Kakiko]

I firmly believe many people don't even realize how poor their performance is because this game does absolutely nothing to relay that information to the player. You have to rely on third parties for rotation guides and advice. On more than a few occasions I've talked to people after a run that I at least somewhat know and they've been shocked that what they were doing wasn't the proper rotation.

This. I'm new to MMOs, and thus new to FF. I've only been playing since July and there was nothing anywhere about rotation. Sure, I can look at the descriptions for my BLM stuff but there's nothing suggesting a proper rotation. I've had to scrounge the internet and find one that I think is the right one? There are so many conflicting opinions on which one is the correct one, too, that makes it extremely difficult some days. I want to do my best, to make content go smoothly for everyone, but man it's hard for newbies when you have to spend lots of time researching third party sources (Reddit, forums, Youtube, etc) and I can see why some people just... don't. It eats up your time.

As for parsers. I don't care. I parse to keep an eye on my numbers and see that Im not lagging behind, say, the healer. If I'm doing less damage than a melee DPS, as long as it's not a HUGE drop (like they're doing 5k and I'm doing 1k), and we're both similarly geared, then I'm not too worried. What does worry me, is trying my best and ending up with someone's FFlogs being posted here or on Reddit complaining about how this fight or that fight was going slowly because the DPS (even if they don't call me out by name) was lagging. Of course, with one side of the story, you'll never know if that DPS was doing what they thought was best or was just being a troll and more often than not, people responding to such stories tend to side with the poster, unless it's super obvious the poster is in the wrong themselves. Public shaming sucks when you're honestly trying to do your best. Obviously, if you're blatantly trolling and casting nothing but Bliz 3, then shame away. But I think many people honestly believe they're doing the best (or maybe I just like to give people the benefit of the doubt?).

On the topic of FFlogs though, I have it and I'm having difficulty uploading my stuff. Every thing I do upload shows up as "This report contains no fights yet." I can't seem to find a solution to it (I've Googled..I have).

[AxlStream]

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