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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    She wasn’t actually—the two had bumped shopping carts, and a bickerment started from that.
    Okay, and...?
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Yes, they will. And their social media policies say as much. I don’t know what’s so hard to understand about that.
    I'd certainly love for you to show me a company that will fire (or even not hire) you based on someone else uploading a drunken picture of you.

    Please, do share these companies' social media policies and let me know where they say that. If you can do that, I'll concede defeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Okay, and...?

    I'd certainly love for you to show me a company that will fire (or even not hire) you based on someone else uploading a drunken picture of you.

    Please, do share these companies' social media policies and let me know where they say that. If you can do that, I'll concede defeat.
    The burden of proof actually lies with you. Prove to us that a company won’t care about you having pictures of yourself on social media websites of being a drunken slob.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    The burden of proof actually lies with you. Prove to us that a company won’t care about you having pictures of yourself on social media websites of being a drunken slob.
    I'm not sure you know what "burden of proof" is.

    If you are making a claim, you are the one that has to support it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    I'm not sure you know what "burden of proof" is.

    If you are making a claim, you are the one that has to support it.
    You were the one who made the claim in the first place that no one would fire or refuse to hire someone because of an embarrassing or disgusting picture. Saying you disagreed with the mentality regarding FFlogs because it would not happen in another instance.

    So yes, the burden of proof actually does lie with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    You were the one who made the claim in the first place that no one would fire or refuse to hire someone because of an embarrassing or disgusting picture. Saying you disagreed with the mentality regarding FFlogs because it would not happen in another instance.

    So yes, the burden of proof actually does lie with you.
    Oh really now?

    So I have to post the company policies of every company in existence and let you comb through them all, versus you having to show me one?

    No, that's NOT how "burden of proof" works.

    EDIT: Unless you're telling me taht I can just go and show you any company that does not have this fictional policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Oh really now?

    So I have to post the company policies of every company in existence and let you comb through them all, versus you having to show me one?

    No, that's NOT how "burden of proof" works.

    EDIT: Unless you're telling me taht I can just go and show you any company that does not have this fictional policy.
    People are arguing that it happens, and you are saying that it doesn't. You were the one who brought it up, it had not been brought up prior. You're the one who made a claim you couldn't prove without having to go through the "policy of every company in existence," not us. You brought it upon yourself. No one has any reason to believe your viewpoint unless you back it up with facts, and since you made such a general, blanket statement about how it would never happen, it is functionally impossible for you to do so.

    Like someone said, stop digging yourself into a deeper hole than you are already in. I'm also sick of being constantly alerted to this thread being updated because of such a meaningless argument. We get it, you don't like FFlogs. There is literally no endgame and nothing to accomplish by continuing down this path aside from puzzling or disappointing onlookers. When you found you couldn't find common ground with people who told you that it's the right of others to look at your logs, or whatever, you should've realized you will never change their minds, and you cannot "prove them wrong," as it is purely opinion.

    Even if someone could post an example of where someone is fired for your example, it does not change the fact that you do not like people seeing information you are not readily giving out, and that is your right. There is no need to "prove" anything, and you don't need to "concede" either. This entire argument is opinionated, there is no right or wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    We don't have to prove anything! It's up to you to disprove us, though we've provided no evidence to disprove.
    Kay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oscura View Post
    Even if someone could post an example of where someone is fired for your example, it does not change the fact that you do not like people seeing information you are not readily giving out, and that is your right. There is no need to "prove" anything, and you don't need to "concede" either. This entire argument is opinionated, there is no right or wrong.
    Pretty much agreed, actually. I'm just irked right now over people not knowing what "burden of proof" entails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Oh really now?

    So I have to post the company policies of every company in existence and let you comb through them all, versus you having to show me one?

    No, that's NOT how "burden of proof" works.

    EDIT: Unless you're telling me taht I can just go and show you any company that does not have this fictional policy.
    Actually, in epistemology the burden of proof lies with the claimant, regardless of whether its the positive or negative claim. You raised the analogy that companies do not check social media profiles and make decisions based on the information. You have the burden of proof in this regard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Okay, and...?

    I'd certainly love for you to show me a company that will fire (or even not hire) you based on someone else uploading a drunken picture of you.

    Please, do share these companies' social media policies and let me know where they say that. If you can do that, I'll concede defeat.
    you don't watch news out;ets much. I suggest phill defranco on youtube. People have been in the past fired over pictures on social media. Such as school teachers. Google it.

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...icle-1.3509411 here is 1

    here another one http://fox8.com/tag/teacher-fired-over-facebook-photo/

    another one http://www.nj.com/middlesex/index.ss...censes_fo.html

    so yes it does happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigRed5392 View Post
    you don't watch news out;ets much.

    [...]

    so yes it does happen
    Another good example is the woman who was just fired because someone snapped a picture of her flipping off Trump's motorcade in spite of the fact that she was on her own time and the picture showed nothing connecting her to the company, nor did any of her social media profiles. The company still said it was "bad for their image" and terminated her anyway.

    Slightly ironic in that she's the one who told her company about it. Since you can't see her face in the picture it's unlikely they would have been able to identify her if she hadn't said anything.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kewitt View Post
    When I tank I try to do good at my job and make everything easier for the party.
    However if someone ever brings up I'm not doing enough DPS, when I tank. I report them. There is no built in way to really know how much DPS someone is doing.
    If you're familiar enough with the class you're looking at you don't need a parser to tell when someone is sandbagging it even if they're not playing poorly in an obvious way. Using the wrong moves, not landing positionals, casting the wrong spells, not using CDs, having too much MP, having too much TP, standing idle for long periods of time--these are all things that lead to subpar performance and they're all very easily observed with your eyes.
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