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  1. #221
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    Liza Sol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but:

    1) At the very least, you'll have to agree that if they are NOT in my party, then they have no business, which is what that site is for; and

    2) No, it's NOT their business, tyvm. Especially random data plucked from who-knows-what situations.

    Either way, you're wrong.
    If you arent pulling your own weight in a PF who expect good or decent dps to kill before enrage, then yes its party leader business.
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    Last edited by akaneakki; 11-15-2017 at 11:07 AM.

  2. #222
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    HyoMinPark's Avatar
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Hate to break it to you, but:

    1) At the very least, you'll have to agree that if they are NOT in my party, then they have no business, which is what that site is for; and

    2) No, it's NOT their business, tyvm. Especially random data plucked from who-knows-what situations.

    Either way, you're wrong.
    They actually aren’t wrong. If you’re in someone’s PF, and they opt to try and figure out why the group is unable to clear a fight, they have every right and every business to dig into that. They can use any source they choose, unless you would prefer they blindly kick and/or disband the party (which, when that happens, usually means that party leader knows exactly what is wrong, but cannot say because of the threat of being reported over mentioning parsers; so they disband the group and re-recruit instead).

    That being said, people usually don’t randomly search for people’s FFLogs uploads unless given a reason—which, the reason would be something like:

    A.) a player joining one of their parties,
    B.) looking to be a member of their static,
    C.) being like some individuals I’ve seen and trying to talk big about themselves so people go looking for evidence to back up their claims,

    Etc..
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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  3. #223
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    Sarteck's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    They actually aren’t wrong.
    Let me try to use an anology.

    You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

    From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

    This is where we disagree.
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  4. #224
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    SenorPatty's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Let me try to use an anology.

    You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

    From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

    This is where we disagree.
    This already happens with:

    -any social site like facebook
    -background checks of various degrees

    Buisinesses check your competence through references and interviews but they also want to know if your image fits their company. So yeah, a boss who finds you online with...less than savory circumstances may not hire you, before and/or after a personal interview.
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  5. #225
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    Hyomin Park
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Let me try to use an anology.

    You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

    From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

    This is where we disagree.
    Actually, companies do use social media, and can base whether or not they hire a person on what is posted on their social media websites. They can also fire people for posting negative things about their companies on social media.
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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    Hyomin Park#0055

  6. #226
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    Quote Originally Posted by akaneakki View Post
    When I'm honest, I think that as friendly. Honestly if I don't tell a player to get better, they will eventually meet them. I'm not going to let some player stay bad just to be ''kind'' to him or her, I tell them to get better and if they do improve I'm happy about it. But sorry to say, why should I play better just a player can slack way harder than the rest?
    The game is mind numbingly easy. Players don't need to be amazing to run any standard content. Frankly all this talk about players preforming the best they can is just retardedly absurd for the type of game that FF14 is.
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  7. #227
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    HazyAssaulter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    The game is mind numbingly easy. Players don't need to be amazing to run any standard content. Frankly all this talk about players preforming the best they can is just retardedly absurd for the type of game that FF14 is.
    Yes, it's so easy that you've had no problem clearing Savage or Extreme Trials, have you? That Lakshmi clear is real impressive.
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  8. #228
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    Oscura's Avatar
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    Shion Sumeragi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    Let me try to use an anology.

    You try to go get a job. You're usually a decent, hardworking person. Your boss is all set to hire you, but then consults some site on which some random person (intentionally or otherwise) has uploaded images of you drunkenly vomiting all over the place.

    From what you are trying to say, your boss should go by those logs, assume you are like that all the time, and not even bother seeing what you can bring to his team.

    This is where we disagree.
    This is literally a thing that happens in real life every day.
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  9. #229
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenorPatty View Post
    This already happens with:

    -any social site like facebook
    -background checks of various degrees

    Buisinesses check your competence through references and interviews but they also want to know if your image fits their company. So yeah, a boss who finds you online with...less than savory circumstances may not hire you, before and/or after a personal interview.
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Actually, companies do use social media, and can base whether or not they hire a person on what is posted on their social media websites. They can also fire people for posting negative things about their companies on social media.
    I'm not sure if you are actually seriously defending this or you didn't understand the analogy, or both.

    No, HR teams will not decide to not hire you based on pictures of you vomiting all over the place (unless that job happens to be for a detox counselor or summat).

    Further, you seem to have completely missed the point altogether--it would not be representative of your life as a whole, or of your aptitude for the job.

    Just like some random bits posted to FFLogs without your consent are like not to be representative of your playstyle as a whole.



    EDIT: And for some reason, you guys seem to have missed, this is not YOUR social media account we're talking bout.
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  10. #230
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    Lilila Lila
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarteck View Post
    I'm not sure if you are actually seriously defending this or you didn't understand the analogy, or both.

    No, HR teams will not decide to not hire you based on pictures of you vomiting all over the place (unless that job happens to be for a detox counselor or summat).

    Further, you seem to have completely missed the point altogether--it would not be representative of your life as a whole, or of your aptitude for the job.

    Just like some random bits posted to FFLogs without your consent are like not to be representative of your playstyle as a whole.



    EDIT: And for some reason, you guys seem to have missed, this is not YOUR social media account we're talking bout.
    Pick a better analogy. This one only works against you, there's no way to twist it that a company cannot dig as far into a potential employee as they please, and refuse to hire them for any misconduct they find.
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