Tank dps harrasment

[Texa]

If they don't ban painfully obvious bots, they're not going to ban people for using parsers that can't even be identified short of people blatantly saying they're using one.

I've only heard of them banning people who directly state that they're using one while harassing other players. Just flat-out a "you suck, here's your numbers, I was parsing and you're awful" level of bluntness.

[RinnLanael]

Looks like people are heavily being distracted from the original point of this topic, so as a raider with high experience in all aspects of the game's difficulty let me please revert back to the OP's first comment and let's put this thread to bed since right now it's just pointless quibbling about analogies that make no sense.

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps? I got kicked out of a dungeon recently because I wasn't tanking in sword oath and because of that I wasn't doing enough dps to stay in the dungeon I guess.

Dungeons are honestly not something that the majority of the population care too much about regarding playing your class optimally. As long as you are doing your job and keeping hate as a tank then you should not experience any problems with the majority of the player-base unless they really are being jerks. If you are physically doing things you do NOT need to do, for example spamming flash when you already have tons of enmity, or not using your cooldowns appropriately and making it hard for the healer to keep you alive, or conversely focusing too much on doing DPS and not keeping hate; basically anything that would make people's lives harder than it need to be, then you should not be focused with any real warranted problems. Most people only have a problem when things are taking longer than they need to, especially in really old dungeons. When people do make a fuss, just ask them kindly to put up with it or leave. Most DPS will not bother leaving because of the incredibly long wait times to get into a new dungeon would be longer than suffering through "sub-optimal" tanking.

Yesterday, I was removed out of a hunt group killing A/S ranks because I was tanking in shield oath also.
Why are tanks expected to tank in sword oath now for even the most casual content? Why are tanks in general expected to do "X dps"?

Now I'm not calling you a liar, but unless your server is heavily underpopulated and the hunt wasn't being zerged and for whatever reason the hunt wasn't being killed (does this ever happen?), I can't think of any reason to specifically pick up on this unless they were being elitist. Again, just find another group to go with and move on. Some people just like to troll for a sense of self-worth to basically say "Hey I'm better than you because I do this." Completely irrelevant and I would find it very hard to believe this happens very often.

Another thing, can I report people for harassing me for my status on FFXIV logs?

If numbers during a raid are being referenced and you do not want to know about this, then yes you are well within your right to report people for this. Additionally if people are harassing you whilst directly referencing FFLOGS then again you are well within your right to report them. HOWEVER, and this is where my post starts to become a bit more against your current way of thinking, if they kick you but don't say why, you have no right to do anything. People are WELL within their rights to go and do searches on your current skill level and then decide if they want to play with you or not. People of a certain skill level in the game do not want to have to carry people and they do not want to have a terrible time when playing the game. Sometimes people kick people despite it being contradictive of their own skill level with hopes of better players carrying them, but regardless of the reason unless specifically being told about your logs and parses you do not have any right to complain about being kicked from a party for whatever reason. This is the party leader's discretion.

Apparently I'm not "good enough to farm Shinryu" yet I have the dog and 9 of the weapons. All I want to do is tank a freaking dragon and have a shot at the scale but because FFXIV logs says I'm "Bad" I guess I cant. I feel like I cant even play the game anymore because of how toxic the community has become.

Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table. This is why you are being kicked and not let into farm parties, simple as that really. If you don't want this attitude to continue work on looking up guides and seeing what you can do to improve your ability to play the game, this means using your enmity skills more intelligently so that you don't have to "overheal" in the sense of healers. Don't use enmity skills when you don't need to. Don't use shield oath when you are already top of the enmity list with no potential way of losing it. Use your enmity skills smartly so that you don't need to have "wasted" actions on lesser important actions. All of the former suggestions will give you more time to be able to do more with your time and therefore increase your overall DPS. DPS purely comes from playing optimally, not just from "dropping enmity/tanking skills". If you don't care about doing that then don't, but also don't expect players to let you play with them on the higher skilled content of the game.

[Taika]

Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table.

This is a great point about PF content in general. Pugging extremes and Savages for the first time in SB, I've noticed that me and the people I play with are a lot more careful about the parties we join than a lot of people seem to be. Joining a group you're not ready for brings nothing but trouble (for both you and the party), so people should really estimate their own abilities more carefully. Having cleared something once, or even multiple times, does not necessarily mean you're ready to join a farm party, and sometimes it's much better to first work on your confidence with mechanics and your rotation optimisation in last phase practice or first clear parties - especially if you notice that all your recorded wins have shown extremely low performance compared to other players with same job in that fight.

[Xlantaa]

That's very weird. It is not impossible, but it is very rare find someone in a dungeon asking the tank to pull more DPS. Most people doesn't care about tank staying all the time in tank stance. Even on extreme trials or Omega I didn't find anyone asking for this. In fact, all content is designed to have one tank as MT in full tank stance. Going full DPS is like healers, a optional thing, and usullay happens on preformed partie where everyone knows each other and there are confidence to do it safe.

Don't let that people stop you for enjoying game. You have a role as tank, and it is not DPS like a DPS job.

[Hannia]

Now I'm not calling you a liar, but unless your server is heavily underpopulated and the hunt wasn't being zerged and for whatever reason the hunt wasn't being killed (does this ever happen)

This was at very early hours of the morning like 6am ish so there wasn't very many people latterly like 2 groups (and one wasn't even full).

[Hannia]

Real talk, you are not good enough to FARM Shinryu. Can you clear it? Sure you can, the fight is quite easy and doesn't require 100% effort from everyone. But what is a problem specifically for FARM parties is that other people have to work extra hard to make up for what you are not bringing to the table. This is why you are being kicked and not let into farm parties, simple as that really.

So I ran with a friend yesterday who was running something to tell me my dps and he said after the clear that I was pulling 2,510 dps. According to logs unless I'm reading this wrong (which I very well may be) that should put me on the upper end of blue numbers and like 30-50 dps shy of the purple numbers (apparently colors = skill?). I don't see why I am being punished for having a single log of a fight that was put up without my permission (which btw was my freaking clear I found out looking back at the date of the log) that I have to deal with people bashing me for "low dps".

[RinnLanael]

So I ran with a friend yesterday who was running something to tell me my dps and he said after the clear that I was pulling 2,510 dps. According to logs unless I'm reading this wrong (which I very well may be) that should put me on the upper end of blue numbers and like 30-50 dps shy of the purple numbers (apparently colors = skill?). I don't see why I am being punished for having a single log of a fight that was put up without my permission (which btw was my freaking clear I found out looking back at the date of the log) that I have to deal with people bashing me for "low dps".

Hiding your logs is a good way to make sure you aren't judged on that, however maybe it's better that you unhide them and have someone upload your better parses? Be proud of the fact that you are actively doing better, people only care about the highest number. If you drill down into some of my earlier omega savage runs I've had grey runs. Improve, practise and better yourself.

Edit: Having logs hidden will make people assume you have something embarrassing to hide and you may be kicked in much the same way.

[Hannia]

Another thing, I NEVER said that I was not attempting to get better I only stated that I am tired of getting kicked out of or not even given a chance to do random casual content because of a bad log on a site that I do not use (and barely understand or have time to fool with). I am not a raider, I have no static, and the highest content I have time to do is Shinryu, the only time I get to play is on weekends because of my job and taking care of my daughter. When my job settles down at the start of 2018 I do plan on sitting down and figuring out stuff better because I will not be working Mon-Fri 12+ hrs a day then coming home to get my daughter from baby sitter and go home and cook dinner and get her ready for bed. As it is right now I am starting to wonder if I should even go into that content then, the community seems so toxic and I feel like that because I am already going to be behind I will NEVER catch up.

[RinnLanael]

Another thing, I NEVER said that I was not attempting to get better I only stated that I am tired of getting kicked out of or not even given a chance to do random casual content because of a bad log on a site that I do not use (and barely understand or have time to fool with).

Perfectly understandable. No-one is expecting anything else from you. My suggestion would be to keep logs hidden or join some progression groups (I know you're not looking for progression), simply to get some better logs and then have something that will be more amicable for those people who are looking to farm without any chance of failure. You aren't being kicked out of any personal spite but just a common theme that low DPS usually means more chance of failure and people who are farming don't want to waste any time.

I am not a raider, I have no static, and the highest content I have time to do is Shinryu, the only time I get to play is on weekends because of my job and taking care of my daughter. When my job settles down at the start of 2018 I do plan on sitting down and figuring out stuff better because I will not be working Mon-Fri 12+ hrs a day then coming home to get my daughter from baby sitter and go home and cook dinner and get her ready for bed. As it is right now I am starting to wonder if I should even go into that content then, the community seems so toxic and I feel like that because I am already going to be behind I will NEVER catch up.

Hard content unfortunately does require some effort and time and practise. For example Yoshi-P's comments around people who are not consistently clearing top tier content should not even bother to enter the new Ultimate raids. It's very promising that you are able to do all of that with a full time job and children, I hope that when I get to that point in my life I still have time to do hard content like Shinryu EX. Don't take things too harshly and just set boundaries for yourself that you can achieve. It's very easy to get into the mindset that you can do everything but sometimes you have to take a reality check. I personally believe from what you've said so far you have the ability to get decent parses in Shinryu EX and farm it, just work on that for now and get a friend of yours to get your numbers a bit higher to avoid people assumption kicking you.

[Hannia]

Hiding your logs is a good way to make sure you aren't judged on that, however maybe it's better that you unhide them and have someone upload your better parses? Be proud of the fact that you are actively doing better, people only care about the highest number. If you drill down into some of my earlier omega savage runs I've had grey runs. Improve, practise and better yourself.

Sadly I have no way of uploading my logs I don't use a meeter (or know how to even upload a log in the first place) and because of my work week I really cant just find someone to "log me" much less want to run the risk of making a group specifically stating that I'm lookin for someone to use an illegal 3rd party tool to post a log on my fight just so I have a better log on it. I just don't see anyone wanting to take that kind of risk for someone they don't know. Oh and as for my friend it was sheer dumb luck he was still on when I logged on because he normally logs off before I even get home