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    jameseoakes's Avatar
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    James Oakes
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    Where is this "trend to abuse the data"? What do you mean by that? I have done a lot of Savage and extreme pugging in SB, and I have only once in that entire time seen a person being excluded from a group because of their numbers. It was OS4 first clear party, the person was a DD, and the group could not have beaten the fight with that person. Cases like this are not "abuse", they are using objective data to make informed decisions - in this case one that prevented one person from ruining the group. Having high DPS farm groups where low rank players aren't allowed also isn't abuse - it's about being open about your expectations and allowing similar minded and skilled people to play together at their own level.

    Sure the OP has told how they were kicked from a DF dungeon because of DPS, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't count as a "trend" either, since everyone here seems to 100% agree with it being completely ridiculous.

    Edit: As far as I know, I think you're allowed to hide your own data from FFlogs too. I understand it's not the same than asking your permission to show it in the first place, but at least it's there.
    I might be exaggerating the trend to myself but I have seen more cases than I'd like to of people looking up other players from the forums and calling them out on there performance. I can't say using it to check on people sits well with me, it might makes sense at very high level play but I'd be very worried if that trickles down in to the midcore
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by jameseoakes View Post
    I might be exaggerating the trend to myself but I have seen more cases than I'd like to of people looking up other players from the forums and calling them out on there performance.
    Can you post some links if there truly are that many cases? I saw one in this thread, but that was a person who called for others to look their logs, so doesn't really count as such. I also remember another recent case of a person talking about how they're doing really well in their job without the parser, to which someone replied with their logs pointing out the opposite, but I don't remember ever seeing people bringing up other players' numbers in a situation in which the numbers wouldn't be relevant to the discussion (like in these two examples).
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    Last edited by Taika; 11-15-2017 at 08:39 AM.

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    Hood Rat
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    Brynhildr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taika View Post
    Can you post some links if there truly are that many cases? I saw one in this thread, but that was a person who called for others to look their logs, so doesn't really count as such. I also remember another recent case of a person talking about how they're doing really well in their job without the parser, to which someone replied with their logs pointing out the opposite, but I don't remember ever seeing people bringing up other players' numbers in a situation in which the numbers wouldn't be relevant to the discussion (like in these two examples).
    I've seen it a couple times, but it was always a reaction to someone making an outrageous statement about a class they clearly had no idea how to play. Something like:
    Player A: pld is the worst tank ever because they have a shield
    Player B: you've only cleared 01s and have all gray parses, you clearly don't know how to play pld
    Player A: omg you filthy elitist I know how to play perfectly just because I'm not 99th percentile doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about
    Player C: Healers can't dps during downtime because they have to stop healing to dps
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