Tank dps harrasment

[BigRed5392]

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the OP mention getting kicked from dungeons from low dps, which is mostly seen through parser.

and was removed from a shin ex pt before queue over fflogs.

And yes they did, or vote kick abuse wouldn't be a thing

[Mavrias]

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Difference of playstyle can include "not doing enough damage to the party's liking." Which again, can actually easily be judged based off of what you can see in the party window. Again, don't need a parser to see a paladin in Shield Oath with a full tp bar during dungeon pulls.

And again, looking at another website is not against the terms of service and kicking from my own pf based off what I see on that site is not abuse.

Not liking the end result of something does not mean you are being harassed or abused.

[Oscura]

It's subjective. People who use it right will use it the way it supposed to, analyze and compare to others damage and then self improve. If people don't want their logs uploaded, you simply just hide it. And again if people do find out later you are a bad player, should we be obligated to lower our skill to yours then never get a clear or a 13 min farm shinryu? Or even worse when we just flat out carry you, which in most cases most wont do and it's their own rule of party to do so, to kick you for underperforming.

Also why is it that TANKS outdps some dpses in roulettes or healers do it too? Like if you are a dps, isnt your job to do more than those 2 jobs? Or you simply saying a dps job is slack?

"People who use it right will use it the way they're supposed to," yes, which is exactly what I said, but again, people on this forum can't read. I said people primarily use it as a tool to stroke their ego, which is true. I dabble in a lot of pro-parsing communities and discords, I parse and upload logs myself. The fact of the matter is that I see more people whining about their percentages not being high like it's a competition and less because they want to improve, and I've seen people flat out just shoot people down over their log numbers, even if the person themselves didn't upload it and had a bad run.

Also I don't know if you were using "you" as a general or regarding me, but if it's the latter, I'd appreciate if you never ever do that rhetoric again. It's incredibly condescending and defeats the entire purpose of your post. Also, one whole tank won't make the run take 13 minutes. You are exaggerating far too much. I also didn't mention or care for Shinryu aside from the fact that I told OP I wouldn't mind them just tanking only in shield oath. Nothing to do with condoning "carrying" or how people should "lower their skill level." Hell of a lot of assumptions you're making there.

Posts like these seriously smear the pro-parsing community.

the OP mention getting kicked from dungeons from low dps, which is mostly seen through parser.

and was removed from a shin ex pt before queue over fflogs.

And yes they did, or vote kick abuse wouldn't be a thing

You are saying it in your own words. "Vote kick abuse." You do not vote to kick someone from party finder. One single person kicks you. There is no "kick abuse" in party finder period.

[akaneakki]

the OP mention getting kicked from dungeons from low dps, which is mostly seen through parser.

My gf got kicked from a dungeon yesterday for being afk for 10 seconds and also friend of mine got harrased being shit in a dungeon yet they were top performer in a group. And?

are saying it in your own words. "Vote kick abuse." You do not vote to kick someone from party finder. One single person kicks you. There is no "kick abuse" in party finder period.

Sorry I meant ''you'' as in a player not you as you!
And yes I agree with the quote I quoted you on. And also I don't asume anything. I've seen whm's pull 3k dps in lost city skalla whtever its called while a SAM or a RDM does less. Tanks the same over 3k dps or near and dps lower.

[Xerek]

Numbers aren't everything. I've cleared O1S and O2S a number of times. Check my FFLogs and I'll wager it will tell you I am a terrible astrologian. Trash-tier, maybe. What it won't tell you is those clears were PUGs on Party Finder. It won't tell you I could barely DPS because the OT got caught in yet another Clamp and got blasted to infinity, or that one DPS just couldn't get his head around the rise-and-balloon bounce of O2S, wiping themselves and others out. But when I mitigate tankbusters, rescue people from the edge of death time and again, when I time my little galaxy sphere to go off just after a big AoE, or just after Chary goes off knocking everyone's HP down to 1...that's just recorded as HP recovered, like anything else. Do I overheal? Hell yeah. In a PUG I have no idea how the other seven are going to act, and how well they can handle self-mitigation and cooldowns, so I have to overcompensate.

But FFLogs doesn't take any of that into account. Just DPS and overheal. I'm guessing my logs won't show anything but a terrible healer. For self-study and improvement, FFLogs is fine. But it simply does not take enough variables into account to present a fully accurate picture of others to pass judgement on.

[MoroMurasaki]

Just like you are assuming a is me being condescending, and using it as a means to insult me. That really showing me parser players are mature understanding, and not jerk at alll.

Oh look everyone, a sweeping generalization of a group of people he disagrees with.

Must be Tuesday. Or literally any f****** day.

[Oscura]

But FFLogs doesn't take any of that into account. Just DPS and overheal. I'm guessing my logs won't show anything but a terrible healer. For self-study and improvement, FFLogs is fine. But it simply does not take enough variables into account to present a fully accurate picture of others to pass judgement on.

Just wanted to pop in and say you can actually view things like sources of damage, what debuffs or buffs people have, and what killed players on FFlogs. It has a lot more information than people usually know, to be honest. If I went through those logs I could probably find the exact moment where your off-tank ate clamp and was blasted off the platform.

Though most people will only use it to look at DPS rankings, so you also technically aren't wrong.

[akaneakki]

Numbers aren't everything. I've cleared O1S and O2S a number of times.

Numbers arent everything, until you have both tanks spam aggro combo, dps doing 2.5k each and healers 0 zero. You try that, then you come back to me and say if you got enrage in v1s and v2s.

[NocturniaUzuki]

But FFLogs doesn't take [context] into account. Just DPS and overheal. I'm guessing my logs won't show anything but a terrible healer. For self-study and improvement, FFLogs is fine. But it simply does not take enough variables into account to present a fully accurate picture of others to pass judgement on.

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

[HoodRat]

Numbers aren't everything. I've cleared O1S and O2S a number of times. Check my FFLogs and I'll wager it will tell you I am a terrible astrologian. Trash-tier, maybe. What it won't tell you is those clears were PUGs on Party Finder. It won't tell you I could barely DPS because the OT got caught in yet another Clamp and got blasted to infinity, or that one DPS just couldn't get his head around the rise-and-balloon bounce of O2S, wiping themselves and others out. But when I mitigate tankbusters, rescue people from the edge of death time and again, when I time my little galaxy sphere to go off just after a big AoE, or just after Chary goes off knocking everyone's HP down to 1...that's just recorded as HP recovered, like anything else. Do I overheal? Hell yeah. In a PUG I have no idea how the other seven are going to act, and how well they can handle self-mitigation and cooldowns, so I have to overcompensate.

But FFLogs doesn't take any of that into account. Just DPS and overheal. I'm guessing my logs won't show anything but a terrible healer. For self-study and improvement, FFLogs is fine. But it simply does not take enough variables into account to present a fully accurate picture of others to pass judgement on.

I don't mean to burst your bubble, but according to your most recent o1s log, your whm cohealer actually spent more gcds healing than you did, and yet they did over 2k dps whereas you did about 1/8 the damage of the whm. I got my healer friend to help me read it since I'm just a filthy tank and not a healer, and they said you had almost half the casts of the whm(you only had 117 versus the whm's 206) and that your casts were all spread apart. So basically, there's a lot of time where you're just standing around doing nothing at all. Oh, and you only revived someone once whereas the whm revived the other two times. Just like Oscura said, there's a lot of information you get get from fflogs.