Tank dps harrasment

[NocturniaUzuki]

But FFLogs doesn't take [context] into account. Just DPS and overheal. I'm guessing my logs won't show anything but a terrible healer. For self-study and improvement, FFLogs is fine. But it simply does not take enough variables into account to present a fully accurate picture of others to pass judgement on.

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

[Mavrias]

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

FFlogs provides a GCD by GCD breakdown of fights. Sources of damage, deaths, etc. Whether you choose to actually look at that information or just the surface value numbers is on you.

[silverlunarfox]

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

This...the 24 man parses made me laugh since well....My FC group usually runs those as part of our Drunk Friday Night Fun Night. So no, it absolutely does not give you a full picture. Heck my FC leader dragged me through delta drunk. Good thing no one was parsing that >.>

[akaneakki]

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

You are so wrong there, like really wrong. There is a timeline where the player does certain skill, where they burst or substain damage, how many times a spell been casted, how many cures has been used, how many times tank use their cds etc. It's just not numbers as you say. There is a lot more than just numbers, so please check it again.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I wish more people understood this like you. FFLogs provides nothing but numbers with no context. It tells you absolutely nothing about the player. And from what I've seen it doesn't even track all content in the game? So that's an even less useful picture.

If you actually know how to use FFlogs, you can pin-point the precise moment someone died, how they died and what led to their death. It's far from simply a numerical tool.

[NocturniaUzuki]

If you actually know how to use FFlogs, you can pin-point the precise moment someone died, how they died and what led to their death. It's far from simply a numerical tool.

Fair enough, if that's how it works, since I don't have the expertise to say. But if, as I've read here, it only records data from parsed runs, then it's extremely bias anyways. In my case, I never parse (iirc it's technically against the rules anyways, though they never act on it). So my data is very minimal and drawn from completely random parties I've joined where someone parsed and uploaded my data without my consent. Since the players interested in parsing are generally pretty mainstream, the only data is from mainstream parties I've joined, which is something I rarely do anyways .

Knowing what I do now, I find it even more pathetic that that random guy messaged me the other day just to bash me about my FFlog stats...

Also, I doubt FFlogs would be able to track anything besides what can be deduced from numbers, though. You might be able to tell how the fight went from the numbers, but if I'm parsing an all-DPS run of a dungeon and using bouncing to prevent damage on a boss, the FFlogs will show poor DPS numbers, when in actuality that's because the DPS players needed to intentionally modify their own rotations to match each others' DPS outputs, rather than maximizing.

[Pentt]

Also, I doubt FFlogs would be able to track anything besides what can be deduced from numbers, though. You might be able to tell how the fight went from the numbers, but if I'm parsing an all-DPS run of a dungeon and using bouncing to prevent damage on a boss, the FFlogs will show poor DPS numbers, when in actuality that's because the DPS players needed to intentionally modify their own rotations to match each others' DPS outputs, rather than maximizing.

Hit the replay button and it will show you each players positioning the entire fight. Or the time table to check incoming damage to see who has aggro, who stopped attacking, etc.

Also what you said doesn't make any sense. Assuming players are bouncing aggro they will stop DPSing so of course FFlogs will reflect that.

It's a powerful tool for players to improve their gameplay and understanding and only ignorant players try to demonize it or use it as some kind of trophy.

[CaTi]

Yup, if you see any indication it's a Parse or FFlogs being used against you then hit that report button. Circumstances be damned, there's no excuse to be a jerk to someone. And if they mentioned Parsing data in game... well it's a fitting punishment for being dense enough to actually advertise a ToS violation.

[NocturniaUzuki]

Hit the replay button and it will show you each players positioning the entire fight. Or the time table to check incoming damage to see who has aggro, who stopped attacking, etc.

Also what you said doesn't make any sense. Assuming players are bouncing aggro they will stop DPSing so of course FFlogs will reflect that.

It's a powerful tool for players to improve their gameplay and understanding and only ignorant players try to demonize it or use it as some kind of trophy.

Well like I said, I don't have the expertise. I have literally gone on FFlogs ONCE. After that guy started flaming me over my FFlogs data, so I decided to see what he was on about. I didn't like what I saw, and knew it was against the ToS to parse anyways, so I frankly don't care about FFlogs. I was just speculating based on what I gathered from what you said.

In particular, I didn't like how it had my data, with my name on it, on a third party site for every troll in the universe to go read.

[CaTi]

In particular, I didn't like how it had my data, with my name on it, on a third party site for every troll in the universe to go read.

Yeah tbh FFlogs being a 3rd party site you have to sign up to then opt OUT of has never sat well with me. It should really be an opt IN thing.