Tank dps harrasment

[Lilseph]

I personally never seen toxic "non parser".

Yes people using parsers should be kicked and banned from the game. It is a violation of ToS.
Even reading through this thread you can see people flaunting their knowledge of parsers and whatever, they should be banned..

You are welcome.

This kind of attitude is equally worse. He is mixing the utility of that tool with people's attitude and how some use it. In reality, people harassing others over parsers are a minority. It's mostly used for and by statics for self improvement, challenge or whatever. If people use it to harass others, it doesn't mean the tool is bad. It's these people atittude the core of the issue.

This kind of players probably have a tendency of reporting everyone using them, even if they are not harassing others.

[Deithwen]

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You should save yourself some time and ignore the guy. A quick look at his messages history clearly shows he is either a troll or has a personal problem with people using parsers.

[BigRed5392]

You should save yourself some time and ignore the guy. A quick look at his messages history clearly shows he is either a troll or has a personal problem with people using parsers.

If you actually look at my post history, I have said numinous times i have 0 issue with ppl using parsers. My coil group used them.

I DO have an issue with people using parsers to harass people, and "pro-parser" users insulting people over a difference of opinion, while cherry picking posts to fit their narrative not looking at the bigger picture.

like what the guy your warning did. If you read the "ban all parser user" post you will see WHY he said it. People are jerks about parser, it is nothing new nor a minority for some. It is a very real thing people experience every day.

But ppl act like either A) the person is the problem or B) close minded to anyone experiences but their own.

[Oscura]

like what the guy your warning did. If you read the "ban all parser user" post you will see WHY he said it.

No matter what the reason is it doesn't change the fact that it's still toxic. Just because someone's dog was killed by a person of a different race doesn't mean that suddenly everyone of that race is terrible. There is literally no excuse for the toxic mindset of "ban all parser users and parsers are toxic + parser users are toxic." It's just hypocritical, just stop defending it. If it was justifiable because it's against the rules Yoshida and co. would've already banned all the top raiders, and anyone who is seen streaming with parsers or mentions using them even on the forums. Kind of weird how you can say you use them on the forum and it's fine, but can't mention it in game actually.


Unrelated to the quoted message, let this be a lesson learned. Don't make a blog post on the forum about healer or tank DPS and not expect it to become some big debate about parsers. You were asking for it. Anti-parsers will whine "grr parsers did it yet again," calling it toxic, and pro-parsers will yell at you to "git gud." Then they'll fight.

Also, by the way, I can't believe people are seriously debating about someone being kicked from party finder or hunt groups. A PF leader can kick for any reason, including DPS. As long as they don't mention parsing or numbers there is no grounds for bans or warning. The only bannable or even "offense" period was that FFlogs were mentioned. The developer team or Yoshida has never gone on record saying that kicking anyone in party finder for any reason could break any rules.

Sorry about the things you had to go through OP, personally at least if I'm doing ex primals so long as my tanks can tank and my healers can heal I just deal with how they want to play. At most one tank wouldn't make enough of a difference in time for me to actually care, especially in a pug.

[MoroMurasaki]

Just like you are assuming a is me being condescending, and using it as a means to insult me. That really showing me parser players are mature understanding, and not jerk at alll.

Oh look everyone, a sweeping generalization of a group of people he disagrees with.

Must be Tuesday. Or literally any f****** day.

[ovIm]

"Defiance is a debuff" Tank here. Quite frankly, as long as you give it your all and make an effort to play as good as you can while improving yourself, I see no reason anyone should harass any other player, ever. Every content we play is a team effort, and I personally prefer giving pointers and helping out than mindlessly bashing others. If I see a tank in tankstance spamming the aggro combo, I am more than happy to give a few pointers on how to use the other skills, dropping tankstance is optional and depends on your own comfort level and skill. Whats more important is to use all skills available, imho.

While I agree that a PF's lead can set the rules,what they did here was not good, considering how runs can easily go bad if something goes wrong (I myself have some bad parses there too). We all have bad days every now and then, or groups that force us to play less optimal.

[MoroMurasaki]

Someone being an ass does not a bannable offense make.

Were the people who kicked the OP being rude? Of course, I certainly wouldn't want to play with them. They were certainly within their rights to kick him though, differing playstyle is such a blanket statement that virtually everything is a legitimate reason to kick someone apart from - hold for irony - actually playing poorly when you have and present concrete proof in the form of a parse.

That being said you can certainly evaluate a tank's DPS to an extent without a parser because the icon next to their name literally changes when they are outputting serious damage. Steel Cyclone is 200 base potency less than Decimate and then also doesn't benefit from the 5% flat damage and scaling Crit bump of Deliverence. That is an easily visible tell to see whether your tank is prioritizing damage, if they aren't and you want to kick them go right ahead.

That being said I bet those people are on a lot of blacklists, being that picky in a dungeon seems silly. The tank in tank stance is still contributing DPS assuming they are doing some semblance of a rotation, equating this with the healer DPS debate is not only a poor comparison it's hyperbolic.

[Leigaon]

I know that this is a touchy subject, but what is with the mindset of everyone expecting tanks to do more dps?...

There are plenty of reasons for this. This game has pushed at the "more dps" mentality, some apply that to everything and that's one place you get these kinds of people. People want to finish asap so they can get their rewards, there's a lot to do in a day sometimes if you try to do everything you feel compelled to do them all.

DPS is something each member should take part of, but the argument comes in where is that priority numbered? That's for another thread.

In the end, not counting Ex content and sticking to dungeons. There's no need to go all raid runner for these dungeons, when you relax and have a good time they're fun. It's when you get the people from both ends of the spectrum that ruin it. The guy who goes "those are your melds? You could be doing .3034 / ^2% if you.." then there's the one who presses the button and talks about what's on netflix while standing in stuff.

In the end, if they want to kick you let them. It's annoying but they wait 10 minutes for a tank when the run could be near over and you jump right back in. I enjoy tanking I just don't enjoy the people so much. They can leave if they want, lets not act like DPS are in short supply. You may not do things perfect, I mean I know I mind-fart some things and screw up some mitigation activation, so you got to adjust.

On the other hand, play with stance dancing you may enjoy it. Or you may not, but you should have valid reasons for doing either one other than "I don't wanna" or because some guy on you-tube tells the mindless hive masses how things should be played....or else!

Bottom line is this game isn't nearly as high-demand in performance as other games I've played, and I'm not going to treat it as such. Others do, and they think it helps them out, so let the never ending cycle begin.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Honestly, if a tank is keeping hate (through damage and use of aggro tools), using cooldowns as needed, and not getting hit by avoidable damage, they're doing everything I could ever ask them to do. Especially if I'm healing.

If I'm there as a DPS, high damage is my job, not theirs.

OP, if you're a tank, be a TANK. In all the ways it matters. I can learn to love you.

[HazyAssaulter]

"If OP doesn't want to be discriminated against because of his fflogs rankings, he needs to git gud and improve them."

The bluntness and naked honesty of this comment of mine is setting off a lot of people, so let me restate it in a more politically correct manner:

OP doesn't want to get kicked from high end duties just because he has low DPS. He can feel that way, but the world isn't going to change for him. The only way he won't continue to run into this problem is to try to improve himself. His attitude of merely lamenting about the problem and burying his head in the sand isn't going to do him any favors.