Built-in Parsers

[Taika]

Or people can just up their tolerance. I've never said anything negative to/booted anyone even if they consistently mess up. If I have to/am able, I just pick up the slack myself.

People are free to carry others through content, but they shouldn't be forced to. In a content that demands certain level of performance (such as Ultimate as an obvious example), a person coming there and knowingly not pulling their weight is being very disrespectful towards their fellow team members. I actually had one of these today: we put up a PF for OS4 GCO learning. A WHM joined the party. Turns out, they couldn't even clear Exdeath. Logs showed us they had exactly 1 previous kill and that was a (very likely) bought carry. This person had no business joining that party in the first place, and all they did was waste everyone's time.

You can be as tolerant you want, but in my eyes respect goes both ways. No one should be expected to be perfect, mistakes and whatnot should be tolerated, but everyone should also meet the base requirements set by the group and do their best to carry their weight.

Edit: You say you're doing your best to pick up other people's slack, but do you actually even do any of the content I'm talking about here? Couldn't find any current Savage or Extreme logs for you either.

[BigRed5392]

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yoshida said no 12 time already, and you don't need a parser to be good.

those who wanna learn will learn. those who don't, won't. Learning doesn't need a user made program (which is subject to margin of error) learning can be done by asking other players for times. Or going out in the world to practice.


also fyi, there is a search function this suggestion was made 40 times since ff14 launched the issue that comes up, would be other players demanding you turn on your numbers or be kicked.


the REAL reason they don't want to do a in game parser is so people dpn't reverse engineer it, use it to get true values and break the system with their user made parsers.

lil research goes a long way.

[Dualgunner]

Got any evidence to back that claim up Big Red? Since its just a little research should be easy to go and cite it really quick.

[Jijifli]

Got any evidence to back that claim up Big Red? Since its just a little research should be easy to go and cite it really quick.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-WXYg-S05U

Likely referring to 6:04, where Yoshi said they aren't allowed because of things like hacks, so the company has to officially decline.

However, he's telling the players don't sub your mod in people's face. If you aren't telling people you're parsing, nobody is going to know 100% you are parsing. He wants people to enjoy their experience, and if parsing gives the player the full experience, they can, so long as they aren't rude about it.

[Taika]

those who wanna learn will learn. those who don't, won't. Learning doesn't need a user made program (which is subject to margin of error) learning can be done by asking other players for times. Or going out in the world to practice.

How do you know how well you're doing without actual numbers to back it up? There are so many players out there who think they're doing alright but in reality don't have a clue. And if you say read and follow the guides for openers and rotations, you know they're all based on people utilising parsers to find that information, right?

What's so scary and wrong about actually knowing how you're doing and why in the content where certain numbers simply need to be met or the whole group will fail?

Also going to ask you the same question: are you even doing the content people need the parsers for? Seems like this thread is full of people saying "oh no you don't need a parser, you just have to X", while those people have no personal experience of the content where the parsers are used and needed... I'm all for implementing an official parser which is limited for the optional use of premade parties (and the content those do: extremes, savage, ultimate). In this case, having one in game doesn't in any way even concern those players who don't do that content in the first place (like many naysayers in this thread).

[BigZe]

Imho as long as we find it acceptable to rank all jobs based purely on damage they do, we as a community do not deserve an official parse. Now i have been pugging all the content since 2.0 and i have never once hit enrage with a 100% clean run.

[Taika]

Imho as long as we find it acceptable to rank all jobs based purely on damage they do, we as a community do not deserve an official parse.

How else would you rank players than DPS and HPS in this game and why? Damage mitigation is not very relevant and there's no support to speak of. Of course you must understand that higher rankings require great party performance (you can't rank high on SMN if you need to be raising your team mates), and that the highest of the high ranks are likely to be fed all the buffs and the setups have been built around them. But when you read a parse number in the first place, you can't only look at that one number, but you need to see everything else that happened as well (how much damage was taken by each party member, were there deaths, what was the group DPS (how fast did the boss die), what buffs were received by whom etc.

[Justuas]

If you know someone is using parser, you should report him/her since it's forbidden in ToS. Who knows what else 3rd party hacks etc. they might be using.

[Taika]

If you know someone is using parser, you should report him/her since it's forbidden in ToS. Who knows what else 3rd party hacks etc. they might be using.

Using an unofficial parser is common enough so that you can be pretty much guaranteed to have at least 1 person parsing in whatever content you do. It's fairly certain that everyone who has ever done extremes or Savage has at least one parse record up on logs (so far I haven't met an exception). If you would ban all the people parsing, you wouldn't have any raid groups and you'd lose a great part of the PC playerbase. The developers know this and accept this and strongly support the don't ask don't tell policy.

It's true 3rd party programs may include unwanted additional features (such as the currently commonly used parsing program having a mechanic call / timeline feature which I personally consider cheating). But that's only one more reason to support an official program. Because parsing is required as long as SE keeps releasing content with DPS checks.

[Janise]

I can see the New PF strap lines now

"Know Strat or get kicked. No parser=kick"