Built-in Parsers

[kikix12]

I know that the reason why built-in parsers are not desired is the fear that the players would abuse each other over the values. However, there is no question about it. Parsers are almost necessary to achieve greater ability at the game. One way or another, it is absolutely mandatory to calculate relative damage and healing output over time, and the only difference between parsers and doing it "manually" is the time and effort it takes. That means that in a static party, people will STILL eventually find out who is holding the group back and can still talk back at them. Even more so since they would need quite a lot of time spent (possibly wasted) before then, thus getting irritated at the player before they could react.
In a random party however, the time is not high enough (unless the group tries to find out who it is specifically...not going to happen) for proper, certain results.

The lack of built-in parsers, however, hurt the players the most. There are many that USE parsers. It's obvious and no one really hides that fact. Developers themselves don't seem to be concerned about people just using them, so long as they don't grieve other players over them. And majorly, they don't. So...why not allow parsers built into the game in the end?!


As a solution, I suggest two buttons in options. "Allow parsers in party on/off" and another, available only if the parsers are on "Allow a party without parsers to decrease queue speed on/off". Basically, the first option will separate the players into two groups, ones that are fine with parsers, another that is not, and normally, they will only look for players within the same category. The other option allows the system to pair a person pro-parsers with a party that is against them, if the queue is taking too long. However, parsers will then be disabled. Either everyone in the party have parsers on, or no one. That way, a player can decide whether they are fine with the risk of coming across the grievers or not.


On a different note, please change the combat messages in chat. "X is dealt Y damage" is useless...Change it to "X's Broil dealt Y damage to Z." What is the point of even HAVING a combat log that doesn't log the darned combat?! I mean, due to PING and/or the way the system works, I often have messages out of whack. It shows that I used an attack (instant!) then it shows to me damage made by someone else, then it shows me damage done by my instant attack...It's ridiculous...

[Vahlnir]

Pretty sure Yoshi P has said "no" to this more times than I can count...vehemently at that. He has taken the "don't ask, don't tell" approach to people who use them though.

[Robert_Ilcri]

No support. We don't need more reasons for people to start kicking people out of groups just because a number was lacking in THEIR own opinion. I know what your reasoning is behind wanting it added, but people without a doubt would use it to just be crap to other players. We've seen it before, we'll see it again.

[Enla]

So long as they continue their "don't ask, don't tell" policy I'm not much fussed either way. Particularly as I /have/ been harassed by people in the past for not putting out enough DPS, with the most poignant example being back when I was playing a SMN and had to drop DPSing Garuda EX in order to hard raise multiple people. All because the group thought a single healer would be acceptable. It was not. This was all back when it was progression content, mind you. Yet because all this person cared to look at was their parser I nearly got kicked from the party for trying to prevent a wipe. (I got the mount though and they immediately left the party. Never been a better feeling.) There's been other incidents in the years since then, though observed rather than actually having to deal with them myself, but it's all left me with an inability to trust in this community to not behave terribly when people aren't performing to 'their' standards. Especially since half the time the people complaining are often the ones doing the least amount of work.

[kikix12]

No support. We don't need more reasons for people to start kicking people out of groups just because a number was lacking in THEIR own opinion. I know what your reasoning is behind wanting it added, but people without a doubt would use it to just be crap to other players. We've seen it before, we'll see it again.

Eh...How would you see numbers if there are no numbers?!

As I said, I suggest an option to choose whether ANYONE sees the numbers in the party. If you leave it unchecked (as it should be off by default), then you will not meet anyone with a parser on in a party, unless you pre-made it anyway. There will be no way to change that by saying "turn the parsers on or kick". No one will have that chance. You're in without a parser, you cannot get a parser.

I would not give a damn about random jackass getting me kicked here or there. If I would just want to finish a dungeon for daily roulette, for example, within a single run, I'd turn it off. If I had more time to play, I'd turn it on and take my chances. I could get better in the process, and the experience I got up to that point would be mine, anyway.

So long as they continue their "don't ask, don't tell" policy I'm not much fussed either way.

I'm not. I don't want to use parsers even if I wouldn't risk banning due to that policy, simply because they ARE technically a bannable offense.
Not to mention, I don't trust people. They can change that policy and go on a brain-dead war with parsers overnight, and no one will be able to do anything about that since it's there, on paper (well, digital). And it is entirely possible they will. Square Enix and even this team have proven that "never" doesn't mean a darned thing.

[bswpayton]

I know that the reason why built-in parsers are not desired is the fear that the players would abuse each other over the values. However, there is no question about it. Parsers are almost necessary to achieve greater ability at the game. One way or another, it is absolutely mandatory to calculate relative damage and healing output over time, and the only difference between parsers and doing it "manually" is the time and effort it takes. That means that in a static party, people will STILL eventually find out who is holding the group back and can still talk back at them. Even more so since they would need quite a lot of time spent (possibly wasted) before then, .

Playing on pc is the only real solution

[Ruri]

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

[DaulBan]

The don't ask, don't tell policy is kinda silly in my opinion. I'd go copy paste what I said in another thread but essentially there are two different sets of people who can play FFXIV. Those who play on PC and have the option to check their DPS and can either do so or not, and those who play on PS4 and just don't have that option. SE really should consider implementing parsers for PS4 if only because it kinda sucks if you are stuck on the wrong side of the demographic and want to improve or just... Know.

They have rules about harassment, they should just enforce them. At the same time people should be allowed to be honest about what's wrong with people in the group.

If I'm in a Shinryu party playing MCH and I don't have a parser, when someone kicks me out of the blue I'm going to be upset because I thought I was pulling my weight. I popped refresh when needed, managed my aggro, debuffed the things worth debuffing. I'd rightly be upset about the fact that I was removed from that party. As-is, the person running that party who is parsing has no way of telling me why I had to go. 2.3k DPS as a MCH in Shinryu is kinda bad, and they know that it wouldn't be hard to do better but if you open your mouth a GM might just put their foot in it for good measure.

There are people on the OF who say they'll literally report someone on the spot if they have the slightest inclination that they're parsing basically on principle. Do they say 'you need to work on your rotation' and risk someone reporting them for their not-so-cryptic words? What's the right choice?

For not getting banned? Just silently kicking people and moving on. That seems kinda meh to me.

[kikix12]

Playing on pc is the only real solution

I play on the PC and I could technically use a parser. Read my edit to that post that I made after the policy was mentioned.

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

I'm 100% certain that people always asked him about permanent parsers in general or about personal parsers only. Surely there was no one asking about options that would completely invalidate the fear of being forced to show the numbers or get kicked, like this would do. How can I be so certain?! Just look in this thread. Just the second response and there's already a person that thinks that I made a blank suggestion at parsers. Cause vast majority of people don't bother giving any thought. They hear parsers, they turn off for the rest.

On a different note, you've got a nice signature.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

Ruri! * jump hug*

I have missed you so much!

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While I like your ideas, I have to say no. Parsers would dramatically change FFXIV for the worse. Players will harass other players over perceived shortcomings.

Even now, I have been personally kicked & threatened to be kicked in dungeons because I stopped to raise characters or had to heal through heavy avoidable damage causing my dps to drop. Simply put, when there are parsers, players only pay attention to the dps numbers. Nothing else matters and that is a very bad thing.™