Built-in Parsers

[LalaRu]

Farm party (multiple runs intended):

- first run started
- one healer saving our asses multiple times because the other healer thinks that dps is more important than heal the (clueless/inexpert/slow reactive) dude(s) at 1% hp
- duty completed
- THAT healer kicked out because too much low dps counter and replaced by someone's other friends with the CORRECT dps mindset
- second run started
- the clueless people continue be clueless and so far, a good number of wipes
- then the claim "guys for this we need better gear!" and party disband, 2nd run never completed

That is what happens today with parsers. Giving a "legit" one will worsen the situation.

[kikix12]

You already got a Parser. It's called "Stone, Sea and Sky."

It's not a parser. It's a timer. It doesn't tell you absolutely anything except for how long it takes for you to take down an undefined amount of HP from an immobile dummy. The only difference between it and the normal dummies is that it have amount of HP related to some boss, but at the other hand, have only one life (as in, it will be destroyed when at 0 HP).

That is what happens today with parsers. Giving a "legit" one will worsen the situation.

Solution...make healing part of the parser that shows effective healing and overhealing done...

[Dualgunner]

Farm party (multiple runs intended):

- first run started
- one healer saving our asses multiple times because the other healer thinks that dps is more important than heal the (clueless/inexpert/slow reactive) dude(s) at 1% hp
- duty completed
- THAT healer kicked out because too much low dps counter and replaced by someone's other friends with the CORRECT dps mindset
- second run started
- the clueless people continue be clueless and so far, a good number of wipes
- then the claim "guys for this we need better gear!" and party disband, 2nd run never completed

That is what happens today with parsers. Giving a "legit" one will worsen the situation.

Is this anecdote or do you have numbers and evidence to prove this is a community wide problem?

[BillyKaplan]

It's not a parser. It's a timer. It doesn't tell you absolutely anything except for how long it takes for you to take down an undefined amount of HP from an immobile dummy.

Just because it doesn't give you a nice flashy number doesn't mean it gives you nothing. If you managed to kill it, it means you were able to sustain a certain amount of damage over time. How is that not parsing? It's just the game that decides if it's good enough instead of any one player. Switch it around, if you are unable to kill the dummy in time, it means you absolutely will be carried if you go into the trial the dummy is for, where on top of having to do damage, you also need to do mechanics.
It tells you what you need to know, just not in a way you want to hear it.

[Ilan]

You already got a Parser. It's called "Stone, Sea and Sky."

No its not.

[AngelyLowell]

Why not a different kind of parse?

If the problem is how the player is doing in the fight, we could have a parse that don't show numbers, but show a sing or a icon.

If it's red, your DPS is bellow from recommended for that fight, yellow is on limited and green is above.

I just want to know if my DPS is ok, I don't want numbers, I just want to know if I'm playing right for that fight.

[Deithwen]

Just because it doesn't give you a nice flashy number doesn't mean it gives you nothing. If you managed to kill it, it means you were able to sustain a certain amount of damage over time. How is that not parsing? It's just the game that decides if it's good enough instead of any one player. Switch it around, if you are unable to kill the dummy in time, it means you absolutely will be carried if you go into the trial the dummy is for, where on top of having to do damage, you also need to do mechanics.
It tells you what you need to know, just not in a way you want to hear it.

Hiting a dummy for 3 minutes is totally different from a real fight. Some people can manage their rotation and yet be completly unable to perform it during a real fight, resulting in a very low dps contribution. The same people can think "but I can clear the dummy, my dps must be good enough" and thus think they can't be the reason of wipes during enrage or failure to dps checks.

[Dualgunner]

Just because it doesn't give you a nice flashy number doesn't mean it gives you nothing. If you managed to kill it, it means you were able to sustain a certain amount of damage over time. How is that not parsing? It's just the game that decides if it's good enough instead of any one player. Switch it around, if you are unable to kill the dummy in time, it means you absolutely will be carried if you go into the trial the dummy is for, where on top of having to do damage, you also need to do mechanics.
It tells you what you need to know, just not in a way you want to hear it.

Funny thing is you're both wrong and using a simple calculator you can figure out the big flashy number since SSS has preset HP values.

Problem becomes that SSS is wasted potential as instead of mechanic practice it's literally just a dummy.

[kikix12]

Just because it doesn't give you a nice flashy number doesn't mean it gives you nothing.

I said that it gives you nothing except...and then proceeded to say what it gives. Something that amounts to hardly anything.

It is a timer. Not a parser. You can heat water for your tea in a metal jug, and end up with boiling hot water, but that won't make the jug suddenly turn into a kettle. A parser is a parser, a timer is a timer. Then there's stopwatch which, too, can be used for the same thing, but it is still a stopwatch.

It tells you what you need to know, just not in a way you want to hear it.

It tells me that if I would get an invincibility buff that negates all mechanics, and would not need to care about the HP of my party members (if a healer), that I would deal enough damage to do my part before the boss enrages. Yay, how helpful...Sorry, but neither do I have invincibility buffs in content, nor can I ignore the HP of the other members as a healer, NOR am I immune to mechanics. If I manage to barely destroy the statue, I may or may not end up dealing enough damage on the boss depending on the other members of the party, cause it is 100% impossible to maintain the damage you do on the dummy in an actual fight. Well, in any content that you have those dummies for, that is.

Funny thing is you're both wrong and using a simple calculator you can figure out the big flashy number since SSS has preset HP values.

Those preset values are not visible in the game however, so I'm not wrong in saying that they are undefined. You can calculate them by adding your damage to the puppet, roughly, but hey.

The only difference between these dummies and the training dummies is that they serve as a timer, not a parser. That's what I was saying from the beginning. I've to see why this statement would be wrong, since you can use a calculator to get numbers when fighting anything and anything at all.

[JCharms]

This poor old horse died so long ago its only dust left on the ground now... Stop kicking the dust, leave the poor thing in peace.