Built-in Parsers

[Taika]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

This is really not an argument against what's being asked for. I haven't seen anyone asking for a parser to be used in content like leveling or expert dungeons, especially against people's will.

The OP suggested separate queues for people who wish to use one and those who don't. I've suggested parser as a optional feature only to be allowed in premade parties (so not for duty finder roulettes with randoms, for example, and people would have the option to join or to not join a party that uses one). They're not needed in leveling or expert dungeons, but they're needed for things like Savage, and there's no reason to deny them from that content (especially if they're optional for players).

[Claviusnex]

After the Shirogane patch first came out I was a few days late to doing one of the new dungeons. Ended up in there with a healer that hadn't done the dungeon either. Was trying to adjust to SMN changes on top of trying to REMEMBER dungeon mechanics from the video I watched prior to entering. I ended up raising the healer on several occasions along with other party members. The tank got really nasty with me and asked me why I wasn't doing enough DPS cause they were parsing. I legit haven't been in a dungeon since. Very demotivating.

This a good argument for my belief that any in game parsing should be at the individual player level. During my early years in that other game I used recount and skada after I learned about them from some other players. They helped me learn where I was having problems and get to a point I could hold my own. However I only used them for myself or with members of my family and friend guild. I also saw them used in PUGs as a means to grief or scapegoat people which I would not want to see here. The problem is to is too easy for people to take the low road in PUGs with fully sanctioned parsing. I think the only reason it hasn't gone that way in FFXIV is SE's saying it is against the TOS but only taking action if it is abused. As to how to handle the more serious players and statics, what's wrong with the current method or using an external site to aggregate the data? It seems to me the methods are there to accommodate the current player base without the toxicity that the other game has in relation to parsers.

[bswpayton]

I know that the reason why built-in parsers are not desired is the fear that the players would abuse each other over the values. However, there is no question about it. Parsers are almost necessary to achieve greater ability at the game. One way or another, it is absolutely mandatory to calculate relative damage and healing output over time, and the only difference between parsers and doing it "manually" is the time and effort it takes. That means that in a static party, people will STILL eventually find out who is holding the group back and can still talk back at them. Even more so since they would need quite a lot of time spent (possibly wasted) before then, .

Playing on pc is the only real solution

[kikix12]

Playing on pc is the only real solution

I play on the PC and I could technically use a parser. Read my edit to that post that I made after the policy was mentioned.

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

I'm 100% certain that people always asked him about permanent parsers in general or about personal parsers only. Surely there was no one asking about options that would completely invalidate the fear of being forced to show the numbers or get kicked, like this would do. How can I be so certain?! Just look in this thread. Just the second response and there's already a person that thinks that I made a blank suggestion at parsers. Cause vast majority of people don't bother giving any thought. They hear parsers, they turn off for the rest.

On a different note, you've got a nice signature.

[Ruri]

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

[Kacho_Nacho]

Last time someone asked him Yoshi P literally walked off stage. So no, it will never be implemented in any way.

Ruri! * jump hug*

I have missed you so much!

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While I like your ideas, I have to say no. Parsers would dramatically change FFXIV for the worse. Players will harass other players over perceived shortcomings.

Even now, I have been personally kicked & threatened to be kicked in dungeons because I stopped to raise characters or had to heal through heavy avoidable damage causing my dps to drop. Simply put, when there are parsers, players only pay attention to the dps numbers. Nothing else matters and that is a very bad thing.™

[Ruri]

Ruri! * jump hug*

I have missed you so much!

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LOL hello :P

[Nyxn607]

I don't want parsers built into the game for the simple fact that people would use it for the wrong reasons. However I son't mind people that use them with 3rd party programs. My only request would be that someone makes one viable for console user's so they can be on even ground with pc user's.

[Risvertasashi]

I don't want parsers built into the game for the simple fact that people would use it for the wrong reasons. However I son't mind people that use them with 3rd party programs. My only request would be that someone makes one viable for console user's so they can be on even ground with pc user's.

Consoles tend to be highly controlled platforms (can't just write software for them without jumping through a lot of hoops), and don't support much in the way of running stuff in the background. Built in/in game is about the only realistic option if you want to see it on consoles and you don't think the striking dummies are good enough.

[Nyxn607]

Consoles tend to be highly controlled platforms (can't just write software for them without jumping through a lot of hoops), and don't support much in the way of running stuff in the background. Built in/in game is about the only realistic option if you want to see it on consoles and you don't think the striking dummies are good enough.

Thanks for the info, I am not a developer or even a techie. Would have no idea if it was even possible lol. I guess I will rely on my FC members that parse to figure out my dps Cheers!