WAR raid "UTILITY" (Tank Balanced achieved?)

[Chrono_Rising]

The hypocrisy is whining that TBN 'isn't raid utility' because a shield 'doesn't help people much' while in the same breath whining about other tanks having shields for other people being to much raid utility.

You don't get it both ways. Shielding party members either is, or is not raid utility. If it is, then drk has some, and then move along to discussing the power and nuances of those abilities and the entire kit of the job itself. If it isn't, then you cant call party mitigation of any kind raid utility because they do the same thing. Reducing damage taken or giving shields are functionally the same use. If the fact that its single target means as, you put it, 'is for the MT and therefore not utility' then neither is cover or intervention.

Directly protecting other members of your party with mitigation for very low or zero costs cant be a worthless party trick on drk but absurdly OP because its on war or pld. Pick one.

If you cannot see the difference in being able to shield an entire party vs. shielding one person during aoe I'm not certain what to tell you. In my reply I was very clear about the domains that I was speaking about.

Using TBN on a dps because of raid damage isn't helpful because during raid wide damage healers need to heal everyone to full, 5K on one person is not helpful. To be clear, raid wide shields in this example are very helpful.

Using a Shield on your MT is not high enough mitigation to be meaningful as there are better ways to mitigate.

The only time TBN is helpful is if someone takes damage they shouldn't have, but it only buys them 5k hp.

Therefore I conclude TBN is not really meant as a utility and is more about personal mitigation as 11k health starts being the difference between living and dying at times when things don't go to plan.

My issue is with the scope of the shielding offered by paladin (and potentially warrior) as compared to what dark can give. Both shields are worthless for single targets and will likely never be used for such because both are very weak. The only exception is when you are shielding yourself on dark knight at which point it is not utility but mitigation.