WAR raid "UTILITY" (Tank Balanced achieved?)

[Aana]

I hope this is what they'll do. I'm having trouble understanding the translation in regards the Fell Cleave changes, other than it's being changed. There seems to be some confusion as well whether or not it will be made available in defiance

That translation makes it sound like they will just become '1 action' whose stats change based on stance. Think more like blood spiller. It is 1 action, but has different effects and even potency based on grit/no grit. To me I read it as something like: FC and inner release are being deleted. IB will now loose the DR and gain potency if used in Deliverance (a la blood spiller), Unchained will ignore Defiance penalty in defiance and half gauge consumption in deliverance.

Just kinda simplifying the system. Why have 3 abilities with clones for another stance when you cant ever use the 'other' one anyway? They already 'swap' on your hotbar with stance. Why change the icon at all. More of a QoL/streamline type thing.

[Canadane]

Unfortunately the balance is also just making everything the same.

[Claire_Pendragon]

Unfortunately the balance is also just making everything the same.

Sort of. (Depends on your point of view.)
As long as there are 3 roles, the requirements for their role need to be equivalent, but they dont need to be the same in execution.

With examples such as Tempered Will vs Plunge, Hallowed Ground vs Holmgang, Inner Beast vs Sheltron.
Tempered will doesnt require the need to jump back into position, and doesnt require more accurate timing. Plunge does dmg, so its not always up, or requires being held onto, along with animation clipping.
Holmgang does require some healing, doesnt last long, binds in place, leaving some negative effects, and requires you have a target to hit with it, rather than self targeting,but also is up more often, leading to more CD uptime on auto attacks.
Inner Beast requires a target in melee range to hit, and does some dmg, but is on the GCD, and interferes with fell cleaves. Sheltron is oGCD, reduces less dmg, and helps trigger procs for more dmg, such as shield swipe.
They can both feel the same, and feel different. It's up to personal taste as to which you like better in playstyle, rather than viewing them as "roles" in which one 1 job can fit the bill for.

[Soraki-Muppe]

The devs have done some "interesting" things in the past and are highly likely to do so even in the future, so until the future that is 4.1 have become the past I for one will not speculate or take anything as being assured.
Add to that this simple fact, they did not mention any potency changes so we have no idea how much jobs will be buffed or nerfed until the patch notes are here. Take the change to shake it off as an example, we know it will be some def buff for the party but how long the cd will be, how long duration it will have, or how much it will do I have not heard.

[RLofOBFL]

That is true. But PLD loses less dps from these kind of mistakes. WAR relies entirely on Inner Release for the bulk of its dps. PLD you can afford to miss or mess up a couple of FoF or Req phases and your dps won't drop to the floor. Since unlike WAR you get two seperate phases to burst every min, which is both good and bad because of that.
DRK only really has to to worry about losing.a Delirium BW window....but idk I really think it's too low, where's my max dps min maxing ; ;

[Tint]

if you look on the dps and the only factor is how punishing the rotation is you may be right that it's fair that DRK does less damage overall.

however, dps is not the only thing a tank has to worry about: dps, mitigation, selfheal, utility. the DRK is behind in everything. if we had better mitigation to make up for the dps loss, fine, i wouldn't say anything. but when WAR gets his aoe shield now he has even better utility than DRK. in the WAR - PLD comparsion the balance gets better, but DRK falls behind now even more.

[MyaValentine]

if you look on the dps and the only factor is how punishing the rotation is you may be right that it's fair that DRK does less damage overall.

however, dps is not the only thing a tank has to worry about: dps, mitigation, selfheal, utility. the DRK is behind in everything. if we had better mitigation to make up for the dps loss, fine, i wouldn't say anything. but when WAR gets his aoe shield now he has even better utility than DRK. in the WAR - PLD comparsion the balance gets better, but DRK falls behind now even more.

alright so it's safe to say that WAR/PLD are in a good spot atm, the only tank that needs some small adjustment will be DRK, I agree that drk just feels like it needs more mitigation and probably a bit more damage and I'd believe drk will be on a good spot too, maybe give them scourge back will fix the class for many.

[Synestra]

I'd believe drk will be on a good spot too, maybe give them scourge back will fix the class for many.

I doubt they want to give those "one button press DoT's" back but if they make scourge to combo finisher then it could make a comeback, judging these forums there are DRK's that would like to have 3rd combo so this would please those people as well.

[Awful]

I've been a Drk main since HW and the start of SB and i'm slowly switching to War and leveling it up by Weds so I can raid with my friends and just live the War life. Drk needs some attention to adequately come to terms with Pld and War and it's just not getting it so with the changes to Shake it Off and Wars super fun play style Drks just not fun anymore.

It's HW allover again sadly where Drk/War combo was the best and now nothings really changed except it's Pld/War with Drk being the awkward love child that SE can't decide how to manage which is real disappointing honestly, I still love Drk but i'm already having a blast with War punching people in the face and charging their faces with my bloody axe.

I'll go back to Drk later down the road but it's time to wreck faces and scream with my war face at everything and beat them with my Midlander fists.

[winsock]

I think SE has done a very good job on tanks so far in SB. It's not perfect, drk could benefit from a few tweaks especially. All and all, I've been happy with how they are handling tanks. Despite the sheer volume of tanking changes that occurred in SB, we are quickly approaching a very well balanced set of tanks. The balance forecast is looking much better than it ever did in HW. I am looking forward to the next round of adjustments.