WAR raid "UTILITY" (Tank Balanced achieved?)

[MyaValentine]

So I'm always asking for tank balance and here we finally got the #1 request for all warriors, raid utility. As it stand warriors now do top dps, exelent if not top mitigation on par with pld or avove depending form healer to healer and got a nice little raid utility. Shake it off now will be some sort of party defensive CD.

- all tanks do roughfly the same dmg
- all tanks have raid utility
- tank Balanced Achieve?

nAH, i can feel the Darkenss kreeping on my back, so what it's the state? what are your opinions are we close?

[Aana]

Can we wait to see what myriad of minor adjustments are coming and what the ability DOES and how it works 1st before starting another round of tank fights? There will be plenty of time to fight about the stuff after the patch notes come out.

[MyaValentine]

and why are you directing the threat to a fight? what's wrong with having a disscusion? I wan't to see what the community finally calls balance as we have been on the wheel for a long time, last time i made this threat most of them were WAR complaining about utility, they finally got one, so now what? what's there left to achieve balance?

[Aana]

and why are you directing the threat to a fight? what's wrong with having a disscusion? I wan't to see what the community finally calls balance as we have been on the wheel for a long time, last time i made this threat most of them were WAR complaining about utility, they finally got one, so now what? what's there left to achieve balance?

Its the internet. Have you been here long?
OP: "Hey guys! Compare these different things! Are they equal!?"
Internet: "RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE NO!"

There will never be a consensus on balance as long as classes/factions/whatever is compared are different.

There are three tanks. You only bring two tanks into 8 man content. One tank will be considered "worse" than the other two, even if it is the most insignificant reason, by the people seeking to bring the best possible team.

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[MyaValentine]

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There will never be a consensus on balance as long as classes/factions/whatever is compared are different.

not with that mentality no and that's very big ovexageration. I'm sorry but you are the only one here for now trying to instigate this behavior please ad your thoughs and contrivute to the thread.

[Felorr]

There are three tanks. You only bring two tanks into 8 man content. One tank will be considered "worse" than the other two, even if it is the most insignificant reason, by the people seeking to bring the best possible team.

Using Omega Savage as a lens in which to view the tanks, we saw many groups take PLD/DRK into early prog, as the community had deemed WAR's lack of utility a dealbreaker, and brought DRK instead. Not to mention WAR had been somewhat clunky until they patched it the same time Savage was released; many people had already planned on bringing DRK, and it wasn't until the WAR changes were learned did we start to see the community shift from PLD/DRK to PLD/WAR. Fast forward a few months, and the most active threads I see here are the "DRK Feedback" and "DRK as a Niche Tank" threads.

It's true that the WAR buffs (and lack of DRK buffs) caused this shift. I don't believe that any amount of "balance" will ever allow the community to see 2/3 or even all 3 tanks at the same level of performance.

TL;DR
The community will always find a way to dismiss one of the three tanks when you only need to bring two tanks.

and why are you directing the threat to a fight? what's wrong with having a disscusion? I wan't to see what the community finally calls balance as we have been on the wheel for a long time, last time i made this threat most of them were WAR complaining about utility, they finally got one, so now what? what's there left to achieve balance?

I hardly call slashing resistance down utility, but it is.

I think what I want more than anything on WAR is to be able to "make plays" like PLD can do with Cover and DRK with TBN. When our group practices speed runs, we will occasionally have an oopsie where our PLD can "save" the encounter with cover (think Earth Shaker on Neo). Or the other night on some V1 speedruns, our PLD dropped super low while healers were burning.

On PLD or DRK, you have the opportunity to use your kit and make a save. When that happens on WAR, I just keep swinging combos and think to myself "oh well, hope the healers and PLD can work this one out" as I go back to tunneling on gcds lol.

I'm saying that I'd like the have some kind of "play making" utility I can use on WAR.

[MyaValentine]

TL;DR
The community will always find a way to dismiss one of the three tanks when you only need to bring two tanks.

I hardly call slashing resistance down utility, but it is.

whatchutalkingboutwillys? did you read the OP? War SHAKE IT OFF will get some sort party DEFENSIVE cd. also while I undertand your first stament that's simply not true, prog groups use PLD/DRK because war changes were recent and they already had an edge with darknight the community had not been trhowing WAR under the rug if anything I've seen more WAR in savage than DRK war currently does not bring utility it still brings the best damage and mitigation. using world first as a lead is not and has never been ideal for reference on a argument, specially looking at the currently playing field all 3 tanks are fairly even with DRK lacking behind. but saying war is dealbreaker is simply not true. and I will like for people to stop divulging this misinformation.

[Felorr]

whatchutalkingboutwillys? did you read the OP? War SHAKE IT OFF will get some sort party DEFENSIVE cd.

Yes. I'm waiting to see what it is before I say WAR have true raid utility. Because I remember all of the other times they said "we're looking into changing X" and we got 4.05 SMN.

while I undertand your first stament that's simply not true, prog groups use PLD/DRK because war changes were recent and they already had an edge with darknight the community had not been trhowing WAR under the rug if anything I've seen more WAR in savage than DRK

I'm pretty sure that's what I said above, that prog groups took DRK because until that same morning, WAR was clunky as hell. And I'm not using world first as a metric, I'm using prog groups that went in that same day content released.

but saying war is dealbreaker is simply not true. and I will like for people to stop divulging this misinformation.

It's not misinformation to say that 12 weeks ago people were choosing DRK over WAR due to perceived raid utility. It wasn't until people began playing the 4.05 WAR changes did that mentality shift.

Anyone who is STILL saying you should take DRK over WAR purely for utility is nuts.

[RLofOBFL]

Not quite.

DRK is weaker than both tanks. Its utility is a one person short cd shield and it has a low amount of cds... but war gets a party wide shield with assumedly longer CD and far more reliable cds. So why is war 200 dps stronger than DRK? That is assuming drk doesn't get any potency buffs.

I have more issues with drk but it's dps is honestly my main concern.