When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Jas710]

If you want the devs to remove the toxicity drowning this game, order them to remove the idiotic kick function along with the dumb 30min penalty. Then we wouldn't have issues like these.

[bswpayton]

Hey, to be honest. I'd rather have a newbie 60-70 that doesn't aoe over a 70 WHM that think a WAR is a PLD. Tell said WAR to put up sword oath (lol)

for one , holmgang isnt a last resot skill it should be planed just like hg on big pulls not used when u have 25 percent health. If you know a mob is gona hit hard then you should use holmgang without u feeling like your about to die. Also warriors I agree are squishy imo but they have really good cool downs that are up every two mins. What tank you are really doesnt matter because they all can do dungeons just the same, but i mean on whm I literally barely have to heal because of benediction and temmargram however u spell it. But it seems like that whm wasnt using their skills well. But sorry for ur bad experience still doesnt change the fact dps should still aoe I dont see how the two even go together.

[DiscoDuck]

Yes. Also blacklist, report, and defenestrate him /sarcasm.

No. We need stop this obsession with kick everyone for stupid reasons if we don't want finish like toxic games like WoW or LoL. Kick is not the solution to all problems. That only makes you a jerk. I prefer adapt. If they don't want to AoE, then I just pull less and take it easy.

Don't forget to also shame them on online forums to start witch hunts against those "gimp nubs" /sarcasm

OP's attitude is why I was (still am a little) nervous about random groups, and cause I don't have some kind of top of the line alienwere YEAHFAST PC. (Tho I don't play on console I also dislike the whole toxic supernerd "PC MASTER RACE GIT GUD SCRUB" attitude too)

[Rongway]

I dont understand how anyone can argue wit this, if i kill two adds with my single target dps that means the other people killed 10, so am I suppose to feel like Im actually being a team player doing this, it has nothing to do wit top tier dps nothing at all.

I would take this a step further, even.

If person A is AoEing and person B is single targeting, person B is doing 0 DPS. It doesn't matter that he killed one or two mobs. He could stand there and do nothing, and person A's AoEs would still kill have killed those mobs too.

One could even argue that person B would be doing negative DPS, because if one person is single targeting, the other person is more likely to run out of resource.

[DaulBan]

OP's attitude is why I was (still am a little) nervous about random groups, and cause I don't have some kind of top of the line alienwere YEAHFAST PC. (Tho I don't play on console I also dislike the whole toxic supernerd "PC MASTER RACE GIT GUD SCRUB" attitude too)

I got some news for you, buttons are buttons and you can press them weather or not you're on a PC or a PS3 or a hacked Toaster. You can do the same thing.

RE: OP

Difference of playstyle, kick.

[Yeol]

> Go PF.
> Go with a fixed party.

This will solve nothing other than make you have a better run. If you don't give people advice they won't learn.

I'd kick someone if they had a bad attitude, not bad gameplay.

[Kleeya]

The number one reason why i will start single targeting on a pack, is tanks who are moving way too much. I place my bishop turret right in the middle of the mobs, they all go out of range of it, and i just wasted a 10 seconds cd. It is even way more frutrating trying to blow up the turret at the right time. And since grenado shot was deleted, i dont even talk of trying to corrrectly aim the spread shot's cone when mobs are running everywhere. And that's with stacked mobs, some tanks don't even try to do proper packs to optimize aoes damages (one of the best examples being the halgais in Uznai's first room).

So when most of my aoes are hitting almost nothing, i switch back to single targeting to do more damage. I dont think it would please me to be kicked for that when in fact, it is the tank's fault to not be able to stay still a while and hit a defense cd.

[Elkanah]

I can't believe that wanting dpses to use aoe abilities in aoe situations is expecting WAY too much of the community. What a ****** joke, lmao.

Also from my own perspective I don't see how it's expecting way too much for the community to use an AoE it's literally one button/OGCD that does more damage the more enemies you hit so to me it should be common sense.

It's the same argument about whether tanks should stay in tank stance or dps stance at any and all times outside content, or healers dpsing or not (excluding endgame because reasons).

As much as I want to believe we all play the same way or have the same thing in mind and hoping everyone is on the same page as all three of us, expecting anything more from anyone outside your circle of friends/LS/FC is expecting way too much from anyone and a pipe dream. If I was wrong, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Also, be very weary of language, as it's bannable from the forums. I only say this cause I got that stick too not too long ago lol. So just a heads up word of warning!

[Starflake]

The answer is absolutely, but only after having asked them to aoe and them still single targetting. I don't understand these people that say that it doesn't solve anything. It does, it gets rid of a player who refused to contribute in a meaningful way to a party and is basically leeching of them. Keeping these people in the party doesn't solve anything either. Of course, when you kick without notice, that would indeed not solve anything. But if they keep doing it, they get booted faster than Bolt in his prime. I don't care who you are, you are not entitled to my time or extra effort from the party on your behalf.

[Gallus]

If you don't have your Aoe(s) bound in EX roulette, then you're terrible, honestly. (generic you)

Completely, we agree there. However, someone being bad gives you the right to kick them? I don't think so. Because if we start agreeing to kick people for "being bad" then an army of elitists (and the sweet irony, they don't even necessarily have to be good players xD) appears out of the blue and starts kicking the hell out of everyone for every damn small thing, because there are some cases of "being bad" which are blatant...but there are many others that are very very judgemental. So I don't believe SE should side with the player who kicks someone for not using aoe cause that'd create a dangerous trend, and fortunately, I don't think it's the case either.