When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[AkashiXI]

Wow I'm late to the party, but my answer would be a resounding yes, if you already tried to communicate with them. I understand some people don't want to talk in DF, or they're extra lazy and don't give it their 100%, but that's no excuse in not playing your job correctly. Would you tolerate a Summoner not using dots? What about a Black Mage who drains his MP but does nothing to regenerate it? A Monk that refuses to use Fist of Fire? These are basic mechanics for their jobs, basic. If a Samurai refuses to AoE, a Bard who doesn't Quick Nock, I will pass the vote. Sorry, your job is easily replaceable.

[Aomine1992]

This is crazy talk Ive seen dragoons and ninjas melt mobs faster than two casters, you keep talkin about the tank when Im playing dragoon I just simply move to get the best aim as long as the tank is using df cool downs. And if they are using aoe as well because wow dang if dps want even use aoe then the amount of tanks that dont use it is even worse, a good tank will use their aoe as well if they are doing this then dragoon can do tons of aoe damage

Tons of aoe at 70 but sub 70 drg aoe is awful lol and I'm one of those drgs who aoe is I cringe the whole time when I see 1k and 2k dmg before I hit 70....At 70 sure I can do more if I ave all four stacks for LOTD

[Deithwen]

Tons of aoe at 70 but sub 70 drg aoe is awful lol and I'm one of those drgs who aoe is I cringe the whole time when I see 1k and 2k dmg before I hit 70....At 70 sure I can do more if I ave all four stacks for LOTD

Nastrond is surely a great aoe, but you have other skills to use. Just read the post above you.

[Hruodig]

Tons of aoe at 70 but sub 70 drg aoe is awful lol and I'm one of those drgs who aoe is I cringe the whole time when I see 1k and 2k dmg before I hit 70....At 70 sure I can do more if I ave all four stacks for LOTD

If you think sub 70 drg aoe is "awful" then you don't really know your own class that well.

[Aomine1992]

Nastrond is surely a great aoe, but you have other skills to use. Just read the post above you.

Those other skills have longer CDs and arnt go to aoe skills like doom spike and sonic thrust..

If you think sub 70 drg aoe is "awful" then you don't really know your own class that well.

I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

[Hruodig]

I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

I'll chalk that down to "I don't know my own class that well and I refuse to look at basic math". I leveled drg to 70 in about a week and I never had any problems aoeing in dungeons, and I still don't in expert dungeons whenever I do decide to take it in there. Doom spike and sonic thrust are more than enough, on top of dragonfire dive and geirskogul. Your aoe is perfectly fine, and if you refuse to use it then you're bad.

Also "just because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete" is one of the funniest things I've read so far in this thread, and boy have there been some laugh worthy stuff.

Also, sonic thrust is a line aoe, not a conal aoe. Me and a few friends have tested this. Again, congrats on not knowing your class.

[HyoMinPark]

I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete

....what.
Just. What.

Well... like I said: the numbers don't lie, and you can't argue with math, though some will certainly try.

especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

And Gerisgokul isn't all of your AOE. Meaning those "fancy math" and "fancy numbers" are only going to increase if you're AOEing correctly.

[Cenerae]

I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

You don't need fancy math, you only need basic addition. 130 potency per target for just the basic Doom Spike, and you come to realise that you would technically gain DPS by AoEing just with Doom Spike on its own at 3 targets (it wouldn't be enough of a gain to warrant the TP consumption, of course, but still). And that's ignoring the higher potency Sonic Thrust you'll surely be weaving in at higher levels, and all your off-GCD AoE buttons.

[Mavrias]

Those other skills have longer CDs and arnt go to aoe skills like doom spike and sonic thrust..



I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

"I know my class well" "Sonic thrust is a cone aoe." :thinking emoji:

[Myrkana]

Those other skills have longer CDs and arnt go to aoe skills like doom spike and sonic thrust..



I know the class well it's my main and the aoe is awful this ex pack stop tying to bandwagon and lets not forget you won't hit all the targets even if you tried except with sonic thrust because it's a cone aoe but I won't argue with anyone about this stupid topic because you see some fancy math doesn't make it concrete especially when they account for Geri which isn't even going to be up for majority of your aoe

according to the wiki: Sonic Thrust Delivers an attack with a potency of 100 to all enemies in a straight line before you. you might need to do some googling and learn to play your class a bit


I just want to enter an expert dungeon and know that the dps are going to be doing more than me (the healer) the entire run... I've seen Black Mages doing so little I do more than them o.o