When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[bswpayton]

It's just a game folks. Kicking people because their dps isn't close to the top 1% is dumb. Not everyone wants to be pro. They play the game to

explain to me how using an aoe is top 1 percent play thats literally like sayin just because you use one skill your an endgame raider. Once again i ask the question if its a mob of 12 adds and im on monk and im hitting only one but yet I see the others health going down as well.

Then whos doing more work the person thats attacking 12 adds at once or me picking out my one add i want to focus on. I dont understand how anyone can argue wit this, if i kill two adds with my single target dps that means the other people killed 10, so am I suppose to feel like Im actually being a team player doing this, it has nothing to do wit top tier dps nothing at all.

[Rongway]

I dont understand how anyone can argue wit this, if i kill two adds with my single target dps that means the other people killed 10, so am I suppose to feel like Im actually being a team player doing this, it has nothing to do wit top tier dps nothing at all.

I would take this a step further, even.

If person A is AoEing and person B is single targeting, person B is doing 0 DPS. It doesn't matter that he killed one or two mobs. He could stand there and do nothing, and person A's AoEs would still kill have killed those mobs too.

One could even argue that person B would be doing negative DPS, because if one person is single targeting, the other person is more likely to run out of resource.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

It's just a game folks. Kicking people because their dps isn't close to the top 1% is dumb. Not everyone wants to be pro. They play the game to have fun. They are not interested in spending endless hours reading up on theorycrafting and practicing the perfect rotation on a training dummy.

AoE rotations are less complex than your standard opener, thus easier, albeit it a little boring. Let's compare Samurai.

Your basic three Sen rotation + Midare equates 3,230 potency pressing eight unique buttons on a single target.
Your basic aoe rotation + Tenka equates to 4,730 potency pressing five unique buttons on six targets.

So you deal substantially higher damage through multiple targets and press less buttons. Want to explain how this is somehow "pro" levels?

[Snow_Princess]

I am a healer main, if stuff is standing too long because people are single target on mega pulls, it can wipe, easy esp if the tank is not using CDS. THERE IS NO REASON I HAVE TO 10X STRESS because people refuse to AoE, I will say something, you will cooperate or get kicked because you are making me stress way too much because someone else putting little effort. This should not be a debate, we should not be defending subpar performance, we are not talking about top 1% DPS , we are not taking about double ogcd while on CD, we are talking about being somewhat competent in doing rotations, basic ability everyone should be able to do. Since they have a level 60+ job, it means you should know how to aoe, it is expected, it is expected to put some effort in your own performance, not depend 3 others to be putting 5-10x more effort because you want to afk or something.

[DubiousDisk]

I dont kick, the run is going to be slow, but it's going to be done at some point.

I rather just do the dungeon and speed it up in my own way than worry about kicking someone else.

[Kahnom]

I dont kick, the run is going to be slow, but it's going to be done at some point.

I rather just do the dungeon and speed it up in my own way than worry about kicking someone else.

This is what I do too.
To stop then type "why don't you AOE ?"
and wait for them to respond is just wasting time.

[dinnertime]

It's why I play BLM when I do expert roulette. I don't trust the other DPS to carry their weight and AoE.

I know it's painful to see--for example, a BLM not doing AoEs (Seriously, I've had a few BLMs that didn't AoE and the reason was because "it had less potency" and ignoring the fact that it's an AoE) but it's not a good reason to kick them just for that though. You should put that effort onto correcting them.

[Altena]

People who don't AoE need to learn to. I made a pretty extensive thread about this a few weeks ago.
Whenever I queue for a dungeon as a DPS I just play my best geared jobs. This is mostly so I can carry the weight if the other DPS is bad.

However in saying that - blind kicks are bad too.
Kicking someone without giving them a reason achieves nothing aside from shoving that person into the next queue for someone else to deal with - regardless what the reason is.

[KDSilver]

When you ask a monk to do aoe and she replies "I just want it 70 I don't want to play it optimally"
And you say that there's nothing optimal in the simple fact to just do aoe.
When she just keep doing single target rotation.

I wasn't trying to teach her how to play monk, teach her the rotation or anything.
Just to use aoe when there are severals mobs. But she thought I was trying to say she had to play monk well.

I think there's a misunderstanding beetween doing a good rotation and just doing aoes.
All classes aoe required no effort or understanding to do it. If it's written "aoe" on it, then it must be used when there's the opportunity to do it.
This isn't even being a jerk to think that, it's just... logical >_>

[Jas710]

If you want the devs to remove the toxicity drowning this game, order them to remove the idiotic kick function along with the dumb 30min penalty. Then we wouldn't have issues like these.