When dps dont aoe should they just get kicked from the start?

[Xlantaa]

Yes. Also blacklist, report, and defenestrate him /sarcasm.

No. We need stop this obsession with kick everyone for stupid reasons if we don't want finish like toxic games like WoW or LoL. Kick is not the solution to all problems. That only makes you a jerk. I prefer adapt. If they don't want to AoE, then I just pull less and take it easy.

[Ghastly]

Unless you queu with a fixed party you shouldn't expect anything than the minimal.

[bswpayton]

Unless you queu with a fixed party you shouldn't expect anything than the minimal.

Aoeing is the minimal tho, I dont care if a healer dpses, dont care if a tank wants to sit in tank stance on a dungeon boss. But a dps job is to dps , a person cant possibly really thing they can single target on some of these pulls, and it has no effect on the party. A dps not aoeing is literally coming unprepared and its like coming in without a job stone or something worse. Just because its df shouldnt mean people shouldnt try to put fourth even 10 percent effort thats literally all it takes. Id never rage on someone dyin to a dungeon boss but I am literally fed up with players who refuse to use their aoe when its something that is a must in a dungeon setting.

[silverlunarfox]

Aoeing is the minimal tho, I dont care if a healer dpses, dont care if a tank wants to sit in tank stance on a dungeon boss. But a dps job is to dps , a person cant possibly really thing they can single target on some of these pulls, and it has no effect on the party. A dps not aoeing is literally coming unprepared and its like coming in without a job stone or something worse. Just because its df shouldnt mean people shouldnt try to put fourth even 10 percent effort thats literally all it takes. Id never rage on someone dyin to a dungeon boss but I am literally fed up with players who refuse to use their aoe when its something that is a must in a dungeon setting.

Yes and no. As a ninja, i combine single targeting with AOE's thrown in typically. single targeting on the bigger enemies on the mob, AOE's spent on the trash. Works effectively. It really depends whats pulled, the dps in the party and such. So its not a dps coming unprepared. if you have a bard and blm, aoe away, but some that focus more on single target damage, say monk and drg...AOE can be less effective on some mob pulls vs what they can do singly.

AOE is not a MUST in a dungeon setting just because you think it is..........It is preferred, but not required.

[bswpayton]

Yes and no. As a ninja, i combine single targeting with AOE's thrown in typically. single targeting on the bigger enemies on the mob, AOE's spent on the trash. Works effectively. It really depends whats pulled, the dps in the party

This is extremely wrong , yea if your talkin about 3 add pulls sure single target away even 5 to 6 doesnt really matter. But when you get into eight and up and ur still single targeting then your just not even trying. I can go through even sb dungeon where single targeting is wrong. Sirensong, but groups pull before the first boss single targeting here is a no go and can lead to a wipe, the first pull after the first boss shouldnt be single target either, the second group before the second boss I guess can be single targeted but I would still use some aoe.

The pull after the second boss when you get like 10 to 12 adds if you are single targeting in that situation then you are doing ur party a disservice. In the following dungeon level 63 if tanks doing more than three adds at a time aoeing is a must are can lead to death, the only time single targeting is ok is the two groups before the third boss. In the 65 dungeon if tank pulls both groups and dps dont aoe then the tanks probably going to die, unless the other party members are pullin alot more weight than they should. The mobs next pull before second boss in the 65 dungeon is an aoe must situation are its gona be a wipe more than likely thats actually prob one of the harder pulls in the sb dungeons so far the rest of the dungeon is up in the air. The 67 dungeon if more than one group is pulled aoe is a must, in between first and second boss single target is ok, aoe is smart to do also before the last fine boss.

And literally in all the expert dungeons aoe is a must as well if your doing an expert dungeon and not aoeing u are just not even caring about anyone else but urself. Melee have plenty , of aoe monks have four aoes, and two tp regens, dragoons , has an aoe combo, and two off the gcd aoes, ninjas have murda however u spell it aoes, and sames have six different aoes to chose from this melee dont have aoe stuff is just wrong.

[silverlunarfox]

snip

It's wrong to you. Not everything is wrong because it goes against your opinion you know...........a ninja needs to single target every once and a while simply because of armor crush so you drop the debuff on the enemy you do it since armor crush does a good amount of damage. so why not make the fullest possible hit while doing it? there you go, single target plus aoe in the form of knives and some murdras with a frog here and there.

You are simply over thinking dungeons. They are simple and to the point. you do not NEED to aoe everything to death to be fast and efficient as proven by parties I have been in whether i tank, heal or dps. It also does not make a kick correct. It's poor sportsmanship to kick because they aren't doing something the way YOU would do it. If everyone did this no one would play the damn game, and its no wonder people don't tank or heal in the first place and choose to poorly dps.

Sirensong is pulled very differently by numerous tanks, as is EVERY dungeon. Aoe's are not always required. There is no set standard and thats what makes the game great imo. Nothing is ever quite the same.

So again, it comes down to how you feel dungeons should be run, and I'm sorry but not everyone thinks the way you do. and that does not make a kick right.

They nerfed alot of AOE's. Though summoner does still have fantastic AOE power which is what I prefer to use if I go into a dungeon with bigger typical mob pulls. But I've been in groups that have had aoeing dps and mobs simply just DONT DIE. at that point i'd almost prefer single target burn downs...esp when i run as a warrior.....only so many cooldowns.

Again, AOE's are not required. They are just preferred.

[dragonseth07]

It's wrong to you. Not everything is wrong because it goes against your opinion you know

Fortunately for us, there are objective ways to gauge proper and improper techniques. Much of the fighting between players in this game is between people who look at numbers and people who don't. More DPS is better. It's as simple as that. That's why rotations and openers are very few and very strict. They are optimized.

Edit: Obviously, there are cases like wasps that require ST focus, but those are not the norm.

As to the OP's question: Ask them to AoE. If they don't, kick them. Just like you deal with Ice Mages or Ninjas that don't use Mudras because they "don't like them", White Mages who won't Regen... The list goes on, the response is the same.

[SendohJin]

Again, AOE's are not required. They are just preferred.

there are many degrees of preferred. when the tank pulls more than 3 mobs, AOEing is on the side of you really should do it if you're not a terrible person.

[KaijinRhada]

but some that focus more on single target damage, say monk and drg...AOE can be less effective on some mob pulls vs what they can do singly.

Out of all the comments in the thread so far, this still boggles my mind the most. Any monk or dragoon worth their salt will AoE and AoE well. Rockbreaker and Fist of the Destroyer (on four or more targets) aren't there for show. As shown in previous posts, you math it out and use your abilities as required. If a tank mass pulls, AoE will be the most efficient until you reach single-target thresholds again.

[Evumeimei]

Unless you queu with a fixed party you shouldn't expect anything than the minimal.

But, like, a DPS AOE rotation is easier than their normal rotation. To me, that means that bare minimum they should know which few buttons to press when the party is fighting more than three enemies.

Never kicked anyone before, but healing through big pulls where adds die slowly can sometimes be a nightmare. Always kind of wondered why tanks haven't just stopped pulling big if it's taking too long, though. If dps aren't gonna aoe just small pull so I can spend 90% of the pull dpsing too.