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    Skogli's Avatar
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    Les Mhaura
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    Moogle
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    Samurai Lv 72
    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    It's not knowing if you're "good" or "bad," but if your performance is up to what you either 1.

    Like I said above: don't blame the tool just because people decide to use it for the wrong reasons.
    It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

    You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

    Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.
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    Driavna's Avatar
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    Elara Almasombria
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    Sagittarius
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Skogli View Post
    It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

    You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

    Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.
    You are wrong, killing a boss before an enrage is math. You need X group DPS to kill it, if the group don't meet this minimum is wipe. Data is needed to solve the problem or is going to be a guessing game.
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    Taika's Avatar
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    Purple Rain
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    Sophia
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    Arcanist Lv 32
    Quote Originally Posted by Skogli View Post
    It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers[...]

    Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.
    Situation: group keeps wiping to enrage in OS3. All group members have beaten the SSS doll for the fight. Both healers are doing (at least some) DPS. In reality 2 DDs and 1 tank are underperforming significantly (or maybe not even significantly, but enough that the DPS lost by them combined is enough for the group to fail the DPS check). There's no way to know that without parser, and it really is about those three people's numbers, as everyone else is doing what they should. How would you, in this situation "analyse" the group's performance without a parser? You wouldn't even know why you're meeting the enrage: everyone have beaten the doll, everyone knows their rotation, and they should have what it takes.
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    Last edited by Taika; 08-12-2017 at 12:04 AM.

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    loreleidiangelo's Avatar
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    Lorelei Diangelo
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    Leviathan
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    Dancer Lv 74
    Quote Originally Posted by Skogli View Post
    It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

    You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

    Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.
    Yeah man, I'll totally ask my group to watch and make sure I'm casting DPS spells on my healer while they're trying to navigate Holy Blur into Folio correctly on O3S. I'm sure that will go over well.

    Or, y'know, they could just look at my overall metrics afterward and gently point out that I could probably be pushing myself more. It's not up to them to babysit me and find that target area; that's something I need to do myself. But knowing my aggregate is a little low at least gives them a general guideline that I'm not casting as much as I could be during various mechanics.
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    Bourne_Endeavor's Avatar
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    Cassandra Solidor
    World
    Cactuar
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Skogli View Post
    It's not my damage, it's our damage. The group needs to work as one to raid in this game. Dps isn't all there is to down a boss, but if parser becomes a thing then it's gonna become all about those numbers.

    You can use it responsibly? Great! A lot of other people can't and won't. It adds way too little of value compared to how shortsighted it makes the game.

    Try asking your raid group to help you improve by looking at and analyzing your preformance. Teamwork and actual interaction.
    And what if your raid group doesn't know your selected job well? While I could give a baseline on how Monk or Machinist perform, I certainly wouldn't be able to help someone optimize it. A parse compares you directly to others who play your job. Whenever I see Samurai or Dragoons doing something different, I can pull up their FFlogs and see if my rotation needs a tweak or if it were simply gear differences. A tool shouldn't be banned because jerks exist. If that were the case, we may as well get rid of Vote Kick/Abandon. People occasionally abuse those.

    FFXIV is a straight forward game dependent on a set rotation and set variables. A parse won't make that any different.
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